Quote:

Originally Posted by CheelWinston

WTF was Joseph Cheong thinking in that hand when he got crippled?

It seemed from the coverage Duhamel was only really playing good hands, and then Cheong pushes with A7?

people with mad poker skillz, pls explain.

The problem with the ESPN edited coverage was it made Cheong look average and it make it look like Duhamel was dealt AA KK AK all day .. , ye he got AA twice AK and QQ - in the coverage.

I remeber very well the hand where Duhamel had AA, Racner had 10's and Candio had the flush draw from the broadcast - Duhmel tanked for whta seemed like an eternity - the edited coverage showed maybe 30 secods of tanking, the live coverage was about 5 min I think and Racener was only slightly less. If racener had not flat called in that hand , dare I say it Duhamel prob would have called. But at that stage Candio had been playing SUPER tight (far cry from teh image he showed in the lead up episodes) I think he played only 19 hands the whole final table.

In the full coverage (no cards exposed) Cheong had been running over the table big time. Apart from teh times when he called short stack all in's etc, he was chipping up mostly without show down , and when he did get called he had it.

Cheong had also been relentlessly 4 betting Duhamel all day with Duhamel laying it down, and it was obvious (and also said in interviews afterwards) that he was waiting to trap him when he got too spewy , and it happened.

Duhamel 5 bet Cheong the perfect amount in that hand, it told a couple of stories, 1) He's 5 bet him enough to say "Hey shove on me you have fold equity you do" , 2) 5 betting cheong there with anything but a premium hand was a given looking at the dynamics of what was going on - Racener was all but gone for 3rd. In the live coverage Cheong even said to Duhamel "You bet any more than you did and I fold" . With the stack Cheong had there, 6 bet shoving in that spot was just TERRIBLE (and don't give me the "how many times have you been at the main event bla bla bla) . Duhamel had not ONCE 5 bet all day long. There is pretty much 0% chance he is folding to a shove after 5 betting there - especially if he was willing to gamble it all with A9 against Grinders ship early on .

It was Cheongs main event to lose (and to a lessaer extent Grinders - he was in a commanding spot and donked it all away) - and he did.

He min3bs pre with any Ax and one of the last hands he took the exact same line, so he knows that I know he probably has an Ax in his range --> if he was a thinking player and he looked at the showdown of hands lol

His AK, AJ type of hands he min3b 2x my raise (did it 2 times) and I am not to sure about mid pockets.

PREFLOP

32ss is a pretty bad hand but i'm getting prett sik odds to call so meh I call.

Flop isn't the best for me but if we look at his range he doesn't hit any of that since that flop is in his preflop flat calling range and if he did happen to hit it there are a lot of cards on the turn and riv where I am able to take him off.

So he bets pretty weak (same as last time) and I do a std call, I could raise here but I'm not really repping to much and would rather wait to the turn or river.

On the turn is a K and he does another weak bet of 90 into a pot of 300, this screams of Ax and some sort of draw trying to get to cheap showdown... could only be a FD imo... King he is betting bigger to protect it (std fish thinking) so we can now narrow his range to Ax of spades of some draw ...

Just incase I'm wrong I do a small re raise on the turn to 240 into a pot of 300 just to see where I'm at plus I'm in position and doing a small raise in a spot like that gives me control of the pot..

(Basically if the river is bad it gives me the option to check behind him when I think he hit since he is always going to check the river there hoping I will bet since I raised, DUCY???)

if he shoves on turn I'm obv beat and snap fold, if he calls then I'm pretty confident I can bet the river 75% of the time and get him off 90% of his range - IF its a card in his range such as any spade, Ax then I'll shut down and check back and if the board paired I'll have to bet much bigger to get him off Ax since he has a bit of heroe call syndrome in certain spots.

Half potsize bet I did, could of done a bit bigger but it did the trick..

And all this goes through my head in 30 seconds of a hand!

So watch out for your min3b sizes cause that's what will get you owned..

PS - I'm a big fishhhh!!!




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1565)
BB (t1435)

SB's M: 34.78

Preflop:
SB bets t60, BB raises to t90, SB calls t30

Flop: (t180) 6, 4, 7 (2 players)
BB bets t60, SB calls t60

Turn: (t300) K (2 players)
BB bets t90, SB raises to t240, BB calls t150

River: (t780) Q (2 players)
BB checks, SB bets t360, 1 fold

Total pot: t780

Results:
SB didn't show 3, 2 (nothing).
Outcome: SB won t780

PS - remember to play their cards in certain spots, not yours and think outside the box, or yeah, FAIL.

yeah I realise the coverage was very heavily edited. I watched it on ESPN last night. They only showed two hands of heads up right? Although the result was pretty much a given from there.

It would have been nice to have seen some of the hands Duhamel folded to Cheong, it would have given that hand a bit of context.

Cheong was owning that table if you saw the live feed and previous episodes, he was constantly 3b,4b and taking down a lot of pots.. I suppose he got to far ahead of himself.

It was a spew but it was serious metagame and with his A blocker and the money involved he may have thought Duhamel could fold QQ,JJ etc etc

But Duhamel liked to gamble and get it in so yeah

http://www.pokertube.com/free-poker-...ble_Part_1_1_2

oooo watching now!!!

nnnye.... nah.. .Duhamel is NOT follding QQ/JJ type hands there... he called off with A9 against Grinder earlier... no way he is folding AK + there.

Sup Degens? Long time…back from South America safe and sound…fucking sick fun times over there!!! Never made it to any casino’s though

Just caught up with WSOP main event…crazy final able…shame Grinder didn’t take it out, considering his stack size across day 8 and the final table, he worked it up amazingly well, but the A8 call and then the blow up with 33 was pretty odd (though Duhamels call with A9 was pretty gamblor styles)…Cheong’s blow up was awful, chip leader to destroyed in 2 stupid hands…he’d be kicking himself!
Probably one of the shortest HU’s in main event history!

So hard to really know what's going on with the ESPN coverage though, so limited and edited, sounds like Cheongs "blow up" was just him playing exactly how he'd been playing and Duhamel reading him well and trapping perfectly...but still, no way he was folding to the 6 bet shove...pick a better hand than A Rag to do that with

SO TILTED!!

so many today!

not to mention all the coolers and flips!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t850)
SB (t2150)

BB's M: 28.33

Preflop:
SB calls t10, BB bets t80, SB calls t60

Flop: (t160) A, K, 7 (2 players)
BB bets t120, SB calls t120

Turn: (t400) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, SB bets t220, BB raises to t650 (All-In), SB calls t430

River: (t1700) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t1700

Results:
SB had J, Q (straight, Ace high).
BB had 10, A (two pair, Aces and tens).
Outcome: SB won t1700

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t970)
SB (t2030)

BB's M: 32.33

Preflop:
SB bets t60, BB raises to t180, SB raises to t2030 (All-In), BB calls t790 (All-In)

Flop: (t1940) 10, 9, 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t1940) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t1940) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t1940

Results:
SB had 3, A (one pair, Aces).
BB had K, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won t1940

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_Me

He min3bs pre with any Ax and one of the last hands he took the exact same line, so he knows that I know he probably has an Ax in his range --> if he was a thinking player and he looked at the showdown of hands lol

His AK, AJ type of hands he min3b 2x my raise (did it 2 times) and I am not to sure about mid pockets.

PREFLOP

32ss is a pretty bad hand but i'm getting prett sik odds to call so meh I call.

Flop isn't the best for me but if we look at his range he doesn't hit any of that since that flop is in his preflop flat calling range and if he did happen to hit it there are a lot of cards on the turn and riv where I am able to take him off.

So he bets pretty weak (same as last time) and I do a std call, I could raise here but I'm not really repping to much and would rather wait to the turn or river.

On the turn is a K and he does another weak bet of 90 into a pot of 300, this screams of Ax and some sort of draw trying to get to cheap showdown... could only be a FD imo... King he is betting bigger to protect it (std fish thinking) so we can now narrow his range to Ax of spades of some draw ...

Just incase I'm wrong I do a small re raise on the turn to 240 into a pot of 300 just to see where I'm at plus I'm in position and doing a small raise in a spot like that gives me control of the pot..

(Basically if the river is bad it gives me the option to check behind him when I think he hit since he is always going to check the river there hoping I will bet since I raised, DUCY???)

if he shoves on turn I'm obv beat and snap fold, if he calls then I'm pretty confident I can bet the river 75% of the time and get him off 90% of his range - IF its a card in his range such as any spade, Ax then I'll shut down and check back and if the board paired I'll have to bet much bigger to get him off Ax since he has a bit of heroe call syndrome in certain spots.

Half potsize bet I did, could of done a bit bigger but it did the trick..

And all this goes through my head in 30 seconds of a hand!

So watch out for your min3b sizes cause that's what will get you owned..

PS - I'm a big fishhhh!!!




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1565)
BB (t1435)

SB's M: 34.78

Preflop:
SB bets t60, BB raises to t90, SB calls t30

Flop: (t180) 6, 4, 7 (2 players)
BB bets t60, SB calls t60

Turn: (t300) K (2 players)
BB bets t90, SB raises to t240, BB calls t150

River: (t780) Q (2 players)
BB checks, SB bets t360, 1 fold

Total pot: t780

Results:
SB didn't show 3, 2 (nothing).
Outcome: SB won t780

PS - remember to play their cards in certain spots, not yours and think outside the box, or yeah, FAIL.

HOLY FUCK YOU BLUFFED SOMEONE WRITE AN ESSAY.

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlsav

nnnye.... nah.. .Duhamel is NOT follding QQ/JJ type hands there... he called off with A9 against Grinder earlier... no way he is folding AK + there.

Against mizrachi he is likely ahead, just hope grinders heater isn't turned up to 100 at the time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_Me

He min3bs pre with any Ax and one of the last hands he took the exact same line, so he knows that I know he probably has an Ax in his range --> if he was a thinking player and he looked at the showdown of hands lol

His AK, AJ type of hands he min3b 2x my raise (did it 2 times) and I am not to sure about mid pockets.

PREFLOP

32ss is a pretty bad hand but i'm getting prett sik odds to call so meh I call.

Flop isn't the best for me but if we look at his range he doesn't hit any of that since that flop is in his preflop flat calling range and if he did happen to hit it there are a lot of cards on the turn and riv where I am able to take him off.

So he bets pretty weak (same as last time) and I do a std call, I could raise here but I'm not really repping to much and would rather wait to the turn or river.

On the turn is a K and he does another weak bet of 90 into a pot of 300, this screams of Ax and some sort of draw trying to get to cheap showdown... could only be a FD imo... King he is betting bigger to protect it (std fish thinking) so we can now narrow his range to Ax of spades of some draw ...

Just incase I'm wrong I do a small re raise on the turn to 240 into a pot of 300 just to see where I'm at plus I'm in position and doing a small raise in a spot like that gives me control of the pot..

(Basically if the river is bad it gives me the option to check behind him when I think he hit since he is always going to check the river there hoping I will bet since I raised, DUCY???)

if he shoves on turn I'm obv beat and snap fold, if he calls then I'm pretty confident I can bet the river 75% of the time and get him off 90% of his range - IF its a card in his range such as any spade, Ax then I'll shut down and check back and if the board paired I'll have to bet much bigger to get him off Ax since he has a bit of heroe call syndrome in certain spots.

Half potsize bet I did, could of done a bit bigger but it did the trick..

And all this goes through my head in 30 seconds of a hand!

So watch out for your min3b sizes cause that's what will get you owned..

PS - I'm a big fishhhh!!!




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1565)
BB (t1435)

SB's M: 34.78

Preflop:
SB bets t60, BB raises to t90, SB calls t30

Flop: (t180) 6, 4, 7 (2 players)
BB bets t60, SB calls t60

Turn: (t300) K (2 players)
BB bets t90, SB raises to t240, BB calls t150

River: (t780) Q (2 players)
BB checks, SB bets t360, 1 fold

Total pot: t780

Results:
SB didn't show 3, 2 (nothing).
Outcome: SB won t780

PS - remember to play their cards in certain spots, not yours and think outside the box, or yeah, FAIL.

No educating the fish

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I get so much satisfaction from this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatman1234

Against mizrachi he is likely ahead, just hope grinders heater isn't turned up to 100 at the time.

Yay lets risk my main event on a 60/40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_Me

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1565)
BB (t1435)

SB's M: 34.78

Preflop:
SB bets t60, BB raises to t90, SB calls t30

Flop: (t180) 6, 4, 7 (2 players)
BB bets t60, SB calls t60

Turn: (t300) K (2 players)
BB bets t90, SB raises to t240, BB calls t150

River: (t780) Q (2 players)
BB checks, SB bets t360, 1 fold

Total pot: t780

Results:
SB didn't show 3, 2 (nothing).
Outcome: SB won t780

PS - remember to play their cards in certain spots, not yours and think outside the box, or yeah, FAIL.

It's a good flop for you, you should of raised. You have a gutshot and a backdoor flush draw. Instant raise

Watching this on the live broadcast was insane. They took an eternity to deal the turn and the river so you can imagine how long the cheering went on when the flop came down, then the turn then the river.

Media Player

SICK HAND GRINDER VS. JARVIS 2010 WSOP unbelievable HD - YouTube

Lol this guy started giving me shit about min raising.... .tried to tell me "I should have raised more on the flop or turn" like he would have hero folded his trip kings (this is a step 1 btw) ... min raise ftw in step 1s.

PokerStars Game #52560491020: Tournament #330677734, $7.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2010/11/12 15:24:33 AEST [2010/11/11 23:24:33 ET]
Table '330677734 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Toby1Kenobe (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Zem Wads (3000 in chips)
Seat 4: eaglemiles (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: jeffhadley14 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: puradchi (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: evilbug33 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: mpunto (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: nyy214 (1500 in chips)
eaglemiles: posts small blind 10
jeffhadley14: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Zem Wads [4c 4s]
puradchi: raises 40 to 60
evilbug33: folds
mpunto: folds
nyy214: folds
Toby1Kenobe: folds
Zem Wads: calls 60
eaglemiles: folds
jeffhadley14: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [4h Kc Kh]
jeffhadley14: bets 40
puradchi: calls 40
Zem Wads: raises 40 to 80
jeffhadley14: calls 40
puradchi: calls 40
*** TURN *** [4h Kc Kh] [7c]
jeffhadley14: bets 60
puradchi: calls 60
Zem Wads: raises 60 to 120
jeffhadley14: raises 80 to 200
puradchi: folds
Zem Wads: raises 80 to 280
jeffhadley14: calls 80
*** RIVER *** [4h Kc Kh 7c] [Ts]
jeffhadley14: bets 1080 and is all-in
Zem Wads: calls 1080
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jeffhadley14: shows [Th Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Tens)
Zem Wads: shows [4c 4s] (a full house, Fours full of Kings)
jeffhadley14 collected 3210 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3210 | Rake 0
Board [4h Kc Kh 7c Ts]
Seat 1: Toby1Kenobe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Zem Wads (button) showed [4c 4s] and lost with a full house, Fours full of Kings
Seat 4: eaglemiles (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: jeffhadley14 (big blind) showed [Th Kd] and won (3210) with a full house, Kings full of Tens
Seat 6: puradchi folded on the Turn
Seat 7: evilbug33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: mpunto folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: nyy214 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Easy fold on river!

Today

^^

Haha nice run at the end... All one HU session against some douche?

Speaking of douches... lmao

Was raising close to 100% of btns against this nit then this....

snap decline
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1800)
SB (t1200)

SB's M: 40.00

Preflop:
SB bets t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 8, 4, 3 (2 players)
BB checks, SB bets t80, BB raises to t240, SB calls t160

Turn: (t600) 10 (2 players)
BB bets t1500 (All-In), SB calls t900 (All-In)

River: (t2400) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t2400

Results:
SB had K, K (two pair, Kings and threes).
BB had 8, 9 (two pair, eights and threes).
Outcome: SB won t2400


Dealer: Villian has two pair, Eights and Threes
Dealer: Heroe has two pair, Kings and Threes
Dealer: Game #58598450881: Heroe wins pot (2,400) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Villian: that a fking joke
Villian: idiot raise all fking pot
Villian: ALL FKING POT
Villian: 1st time i called
Villian: AND MORON HAVE A KINGS
Heroe: yeah sik
Villian: so fking normal
Dealer: Regular time for player Villian has expired, TIME BANK has been activated
Heroe: hahaha douche
Villian: and ofz i had a top pair na a flush draw
Villian: FKING PS JOKE
Villian: SO FKING PS JOKE
Villian: U THINK IDIOT THAT I WAS BETTER THEN 7 HIGH ?!?!?!
Villian: FKING AGRESIV LUCKY MORONS
Villian: ALWAYS LUCKY
Villian: FKING ALYWAS
Villian: THATS FUNNY
Heroe: chill bro
Villian: **** OFF
Villian: fking joke
Villian: HEHEHHEHEHEHEHEHHEHE
Villian: SO EASY GAME HUH ?
Heroe: sure is when u run like me
Villian: HEHEHEHHEEHHEHE
Villian: OFZ !
Villian: FKING OFZ !!!
Villian: SO NORMAL TODAY
Villian: SO JOKE

What's with this idiot contributing nothing to the thread, but trying to impress us and his little fanboi piping in whenever we acknowledge dickhead #1?

Quote:

Originally Posted by trAse

What's with this idiot contributing nothing to the thread, but trying to impress us and his little fanboi piping in whenever we acknowledge dickhead #1?

Wasn't trying to impress anyone(it's only a few hundred), just an insane graph. Took 7bi off 1 guy in 44 hands.


Jezza it was 2 russian fish for the last 100ish hands, mostly from a crazy aggressive maniac.

just_me once read the bible live on webcam for a few hours because he had no money and was begging people on a poker forum. He also did a bunch of other stupid degrading shit. True story.

Quote:

Originally Posted by djdarbs

just_me once read the bible live on webcam for a few hours because he had no money and was begging people on a poker forum. He also did a bunch of other stupid degrading shit. True story.

So what, he learnt from it and then grinded a BR at micros before blowing it at HU cash. Then went on to become a HU sng grinder and is now playing(or trying to) for a living.

So many of the big name pros went busto many times over, most of them learnt and became better players.

Balla poker crib!

- watching DC on the tv
- hooking comp up to tv to grind

sik

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatman1234

Wasn't trying to impress anyone(it's only a few hundred), just an insane graph. Took 7bi off 1 guy in 44 hands.


Jezza it was 2 russian fish for the last 100ish hands, mostly from a crazy aggressive maniac.

Probably some Russian bots lol...

Well done! Keep on grinding

Quote:

Originally Posted by trAse

What's with this idiot contributing nothing to the thread, but trying to impress us and his little fanboi piping in whenever we acknowledge dickhead #1?

Welcome to the poker forum. Most of us have or have had him on ignore at some stage. You soon learn that he absoultely has 0 to offer this thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlsav

Welcome to the poker forum. Most of us have or have had him on ignore at some stage. You soon learn that he absoultely has 0 to offer this thread.

Should I be impressed though? I'm still a complete fucking noob, so I might not have heard of this guy if he's a big deal.

you talking about fatman or Just_Me? You should be impressed with neither of them. They are both not worth last weeks sperm on a cum rag.

^ looooooooooooooool

Sik call

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlsav

you talking about fatman or Just_Me? You should be impressed with neither of them. They are both not worth last weeks sperm on a cum rag.

Just_Me contributing nothing, fatman trailing all his posts with some automated fanboi response.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trAse

Just_Me contributing nothing, fatman trailing all his posts with some automated fanboi response.

If you want some entertainment and a laff- go read through pokerthreads 1 - 5.. there is some gold in there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_Me

^ looooooooooooooool

Sik call

You're playing great.

Gah, I grind up like $5 on 5c/10c tables, then when I go for it on a decent hand I cop a bad beat every time.

Just lost $4 (that took hours to grind up) on a flush, that was beaten by full house.

EDIT - NM, just drew Ac Kc and won $21.

nice - whats your stars user name?

we should have an ITM private tournie tonight - anyone else up for it?

Also - post your hands up here (cut and paste from hand history) and we can tell you if its a bad beat or just donk play

Lets play .. what do you do....

Hero is UTG +2
Villan 1 is MP
Villan 2 is on the button
blinds 50/100

all 3 stacks are super deep - like 100+ bb's

Hero has Jh 10sp and raises to 300
Villan 1 calls 300
Villan 2 calls 300
pot

flop Jd 10c Qd

Hero bets 500
Villan 1 calls 500
Villan 2 raises to 1500

Hero calls 1500
Villan 1 calls 1500

POT = 5940

Turn 7d

Board reads -

Jd 10c Qd 7d

Hero Checks
villan 1 bets 2970
villan 2 calls 2970

What do you do?

Call - implied pot odds, against two aggressive players all the cash is in even if a T or J hit on the river.

how do you know they are agressive players?

edit : and what hand ranges do you put the other two on?

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlsav

how do you know they are agressive players?

edit : and what hand ranges do you put the other two on?

The blinds are 50/100 and the pot is already 11,780 before betting has concluded on the turn.

V1 is drawing to the nut flush and V2 has a made flush.

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlsav

Lets play .. what do you do....

Hero is UTG +2
Villan 1 is MP
Villan 2 is on the button
blinds 50/100

all 3 stacks are super deep - like 100+ bb's

Hero has Jh 10sp and raises to 300
Villan 1 calls 300
Villan 2 calls 300
pot

flop Jd 10c Qd

Hero bets 500
Villan 1 calls 500
Villan 2 raises to 1500

Hero calls 1500
Villan 1 calls 1500

POT = 5940

Turn 7d

Board reads -

Jd 10c Qd 7d

Hero Checks
villan 1 bets 2970
villan 2 calls 2970

What do you do?

With no reads

since vill 2 raises with 2 people left in the pot, he's obv super strong so i peel one to re evaluate the turn

then its a snap fold on the river

so std?

Quote:

Originally Posted by trAse

Just_Me contributing nothing, fatman trailing all his posts with some automated fanboi response.

read my daily strat post above?

maybe I was a bit harsh on you Just_Me when comparing to fatman. I suppose I would piss on you if you were on fire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ DUKE DOOM

The blinds are 50/100 and the pot is already 11,780 before betting has concluded on the turn.

V1 is drawing to the nut flush and V2 has a made flush.

So hero is getting 4 to 1 on a call there with 9% equity assuming V2 has a made flush?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_Me

With no reads

since vill 2 raises with 2 people left in the pot, he's obv super strong so i peel one to re evaluate the turn

then its a snap fold on the river

so std?

So thats your line on the flop...

what do you do on the turn when V1 has lead out half pot and V2 flats it...? (again referencing getting 4 to 1 (approx) but with only 9% equity , assuming you are pretty sure someone has turned a flush?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlsav

So hero is getting 4 to 1 on a call there with 9% equity assuming V2 has a made flush?

No the pot odds are 4 to 1, the implied odds are far more attractive.

I don't see how it's anything other than an easy fold? There's no implied odds on a paired board and you can easily only have 2 outs there. I think villain 1 has a flush and 2 has QT.

Its certainly conceivable that after we check the river at least one player will bet.

QT would have been mucked, if its a marginal call for us; 2 pair is an easy fold for V2.

The board isn't paired on the turn (we haven't seen the river card yet). Implied odds are pretty irrelevant when there is two otehr players in the hand that have shown strength. If you are putting any of the other two players on a flush then you are behind you think calling there the right play with 9% chance of hitting your hand getting 25% pot odds?

edit: will post what happened in the hand after a few more opinions.

Implied odds become more relevant when there are two strong players; much higher likelyhood of future betting.

Call, see how the river goes

Hmmm okay lets get into this!!

---> Hero raises pre to 300... I'm assuming Villian 1 and 2 are going to 3bet pre a pretty tight range but lets say AK, AQ, AA,KK,QQ,JJ...

lets eliminate JJ out of it

You hold one jack AND only villian 2 could have the set of jacks since he raised, and majority of players are raising that flop with a set and 2 other people in it, plus he probs would of 3 bet (JJ most unlikely) and QQ would of 3bet

sooo - Villian 2 has a set of tens or QK with K diamond to be raising in that spot?

Villian 1 is on some draw, since he didn't check to the original raiser, I can assume that he made his flush on the turn?

but it has to be a small flush like 97dd or something because him leading out instead of letting villain 2 do the betting sort of protects his hand cause Ax of diamonds might get there on the river ORRRRRRR 98o looks also like a strong possibility - but he might bet more then 1/2 pot there with that hand? dunno

Now hero needs to fold this because even though it seems right to call with pott odds and all that rubbish and how u can stack them both etc etc you're practically drawing dead or to 6 outs?

I can't see how villian 1 can have any pair on the flop since if he had the Jd or Qd he cant possibly have the flush and yeah so a small flush or straight on turn.

Babbled to much, probs doesn't make sense but heroes best bet there is to shoveeee it innnn on the flop where you're at best coin flipping.

Villian 1 = Low flush / 98
Villian 2 = KdQo

How wrong was I????

edit - ohh and i went through hand combos, to do it in short, and nm you beat at all, if anything by the turn.