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Pot odds aren't right anyway - implied odds *might* be right but with two others in the hand that scream strength I think its an easy fold... I would be folding if I had the J10 in that spot anyway.

Anyways...

What happened was..

I was villan 1..

I had A3d.. I turned the flush...

I didnt want to scare everyone away thus the (at the time) half pot bet.... V 2 calls and Im double fist pumping.... Hero calls with his J10...

The river came and Im too busy double fist pumping my turned nuts , didnt even notice the river and jammed my last 6k into the pot...

V1 flat calls.. .and hero ships.. by this time I have seen the river and gone oh shit board has paired (jack on the river) ...

and he turns over his boat.. the other guy folded the river claiming he had turned a straight.....

My biggest mistake was getting too excited and not looking at the river and jamming thinking I had the nuts....


I then had a discussion with the J10 guy for about the next 15 minutes, wasn't an argument, we had been friendly all throughout, I asked him what he had me on and he reckons he had me on the flush on the turn anyway, so I questioned him as to why he called and he reckons he had pot odds to call.... hardly seeing as if he DOES put me on the flush hes gotta get better than 9% to hit his outs - which by my calculations is the wrong decision given there is two others in the pot, .....

We then went back and forth him insisting that the odds were too juicy to fold... then when I pointed out the percentages to him he said "Well it was obviously the right call cause I won the pot!11!!!zomg!1"..... which then confirms me that he reckons he had the best hand all along and got lucky. Nothing tilts me more when some moron like that has results oriented thinking.


edit: I then queried him as to why he played the flop so badly and he said "I wante dto keep you both in the hand" ... which confirmed even more he was a donk...
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Im even more tilted now too - I just bubbled an APPT $16 R sat after being chip leader on the bubble.
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Haven't looked at 4th page yet, but opening raise size is horrible.
I lead a little larger on flop, as played i'm calling raise and c/f turn.
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Haven't looked at 4th page yet, but opening raise size is horrible.
I lead a little larger on flop, as played i'm calling raise and c/f turn.

For once I agree with you....

Now read my outcome of the hand. Would you play my cards any differently (except the obv mistake of shoving the river )
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The other guys a retard. That happens all the time at the casino (including last night), everyone's a fucking expert in hindsight.

He doesn't have odds to call because against an observant (sorry Karl ) player you don't have any implied odds when the board pairs and villain has a flush.
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but it has to be a small flush like 97dd

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sooo - Villian 2 has a set of tens or QK with K diamond to be raising in that spot?

nice read!
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For once I agree with you....

Now read my outcome of the hand. Would you play my cards any differently (except the obv mistake of shoving the river )

Possibly raise flop, if I was leading turn would probably make it larger, also consider c/r turn.

I want to know how V2 could turn a straight?
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Been learning a lot watching live YouTube vids, but can anyone recommend a tutorials they've found useful?

If you can find ryan fee's 6 max nl strategy guide it will give you a good guide to ssnl 6 max.

DC has heaps of videos if you want to pay for a membership. Moving on up full ring series by nolan would be good as it starts at 10nl. Anything on there from nolan would be good, he absolutely crushes msnl FR and 6 max and has for 3-5 yrs at least.


2+2 sticky threads in each forum have links to lots of info and their micro FR forum has a concept of the week series that you can work through.
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I would have check raised the nuts on the turn. Leave the value bets to the river.
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BB's M: 42.00

Preflop:
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Flop: (t160) 3, 5, Q (2 players)
BB bets t120, SB raises to t260, BB raises to t520, 1 fold

Total pot: t680

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Possibly raise flop, if I was leading turn would probably make it larger, also consider c/r turn.

I want to know how V2 could turn a straight?

an 89 combo ?
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I don't get Just_Me's post. He bluffed someone by betting aggressively?

I feel like I'm missing something, but to me it seems like he's posting logs for hands that don't really do anything.
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yeah im just trolling! :-)

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SB's M: 46.67

Preflop:
SB bets t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 6, 3, 4 (2 players)
BB checks, SB bets t100, BB raises to t1540 (All-In), SB calls t1240 (All-In)

Turn: (t2800) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2800) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t2800

Results:
SB had K, K (two pair, Kings and sixes).
BB had 7, 5 (straight, seven high).
Outcome: BB won t2800
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I don't get Just_Me's post. He bluffed someone by betting aggressively?

I feel like I'm missing something, but to me it seems like he's posting logs for hands that don't really do anything.

But also bluffing somone in a heads up sng is soooooo "balla" ....
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soooooo balla

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BB's M: 49.67

Preflop:
SB calls t15, BB checks

Flop: (t60) 3, J, A (2 players)
BB checks, SB bets t120, BB calls t120

Turn: (t300) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, SB checks

River: (t300) Q (2 players)
BB bets t90, SB raises to t615 (All-In), BB calls t525

Total pot: t1530

Results:
SB had 9, K (high card, Ace).
BB had A, 4 (one pair, Aces).
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Ohhhh.... that's like the opposite of what you just posted. You bluff him out, then he tries to bluff you out and you called!

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Lesson 3: this is how you play a set of Aces!!

okay i'll stop posting HH and continue to grind every day, 650 is okay for a 9 hour session!

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SB's M: 62.33

Preflop:
SB bets t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) A, 3, 8 (2 players)
BB checks, SB checks

Turn: (t120) K (2 players)
BB checks, SB checks

River: (t120) 4 (2 players)
BB bets t320, SB raises to t1810 (All-In), BB calls t750 (All-In)

Total pot: t2260

Results:
SB had A, A (three of a kind, Aces).
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Ok advice on this hand, please. I just C&P'd from chat, I'm not sure how you guys are getting the feed that you paste...
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UTG ($4.33)
UTG+1 ($9)
MP1 ($11.20)
MP2 ($1.82)
MP3 ($13.57)
CO ($16.52)
Button ($7.79)
SB ($3.61)
Hero (BB) ($10.76)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 9
6 folds, Button bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, Button calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.05) 2, A, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($5.05) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, Button calls $0.50

River: ($6.05) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, Button calls $0.50

Total pot: $7.05 | Rake: $0.33

Me being Hero, the Button dude seemed to be playing fairly conservative so I was confused when he was still calling when I made aces. I then had him on ace+high, which made me scared of my nine. But I committed to seeing the hand out, because I was sure he didn't have a straight.

So, was I right to keep betting?


EDIT - Another hand I'd like comments on. I don't want to paste hands where I win large pots (relative to the blinds) like Just_Me, but more so because they've reached the river and I want to know if I made the right moves.

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MP2 ($15.4
MP3 ($8.85)
CO ($10)
Button ($1.67)
SB ($13.47)
BB ($16.22)
UTG ($4.29)
UTG+1 ($4.01)
Hero (MP1) ($14.23)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K
2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.40) 3, 3, 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.60

River: ($2.60) K (2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1

Total pot: $4.60 | Rake: $0.22


I tried to slow play my K's, and called CO putting him on two pairs with a pocket 7's. But then I wasn't sure if he was bluffing, had a pocket 3 or 7. I felt like I got pretty lucky on the river, and could have lost, thoughts?
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Requests --- Display instant hand history --- copy paste HH in http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com...onverter-B.php --- choose output format phpBB

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first hand

- just flat call preflop or 3bet to 1.00
- since the btn raised you can assume his range is pretty loose since hes in position
- since you know his range is pretty loose the majority of the time you should check to the button so he can do the std cbet, plus you have top pair so why donk into it and scare him off w/e he might have?
- so CHECK/CALL flop
- turn is CHECK / CALL, no pointing betting into it
- river is CHECK / FOLD, depending on reads

second hand

- NEVER slow play AA,KK,QQ etc etc, there's just to many hands with to much equity against you, I think like 74ss is 35% and they will call to see a cheap flop, all hands like 84ss hoping to flop trips or w/e. You wanto raise 1BB/limper with all hands you wanto see a flop with, mainly so no one knows what you have and your big hands get paid off

- PREFLOP - Raise to 40c

- FLOP - c bet like 3/4 pot so you know where you're at, its such a dry flop you're going to get peeled by all sorts of hands

- Since you chk/called flop from the COs bet you should chk/call the turn and chk/call the river - when you bet into him and he raises it just puts you in a tough spot and looks super fishy, you can also miss out on srs value!


Ahh i just realised this is full ring, think it's same as 6 max.

But yeah go to 2nl and grind 4 tables there, whilst you read what fatman said, fees6max guide or a few videos on DC if you're looking to imrpove.

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Flop: (t880) 10, 7, Q (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets t580, 2 folds, SB calls t580

Turn: (t2040) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, UTG bets t1540, SB raises to t7020 (All-In), UTG calls t2384 (All-In)

River: (t988 A (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t9888

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Just_Me - if you're going to use a hand converter, learn to use it properly...A) show the hole cards so you don't have to read how the hand played out, then see the cards, then go back and see if you played it right and B) identify yourself as "Hero" or something

trAse - both hands are pretty band...the min-re-raise from 30c to 50c is awful...you 3bet from the blinds after a button or CO raise either when A) you have one of the big hands and want to make them pay for the flop or B) you think their raise is weak and you're 3betting light to take the pot down then and there...a raise like that is A) getting called every time and B) not making them pay enough if you did have a KK/AA/QQ/AKs kinda hand.

Flat calling the blind with a KK or AA is fine, if you're UTG or UTG+1 and it's an aggressive table where you're sure someone is going to raise, and depending on who that raiser is, you're going to re-pop it...but it's risky as no one can raise and you get no deffintion of the other players hands...SB or BB could easily flop 2 pair, trips, a monster draw which they'll chase at those stakes...all in all, it's a risky play, but it can be very profitable if you get the right player and the trap works.
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an 89 combo ?

I can't tell if this is an attempt at a level or not?

89/K9/AK all flop a straight and the 7 doesn't hit any straight draws(Kx/9x/8x/Ax) from the flop.
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Yeah, either he flopped a straight or was lying. perhaps he flopped a set.

What's he doing calling with a straight anyway, if he thought he was ahead he should have re-raised. His hand was only going to get worse on the river.
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I can't tell if this is an attempt at a level or not?

89/K9/AK all flop a straight and the 7 doesn't hit any straight draws(Kx/9x/8x/Ax) from the flop.

Ah ok - I think he said he "had" a straight, not turned a straight. my bad.
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Yeah, either he flopped a straight or was lying. perhaps he flopped a set.

What's he doing calling with a straight anyway, if he thought he was ahead he should have re-raised. His hand was only going to get worse on the river.

Yup , I told them both they played their respective hands terribly . But again the donk came out in him saying "aww aww it was obv the right call cause I won" ....

Just wanted to post the hand from his perspective to see if I was right in my thinking.
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Just_Me - if you're going to use a hand converter, learn to use it properly...A) show the hole cards so you don't have to read how the hand played out, then see the cards, then go back and see if you played it right and B) identify yourself as "Hero" or something

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Flat calling the blind with a KK or AA is fine, if you're UTG or UTG+1 and it's an aggressive table where you're sure someone is going to raise, and depending on who that raiser is, you're going to re-pop it.

this is sort of okay but imo you're basically turning your hand face up..?

limping utg and then 're popping' it screams of AA, KK...

good to just raise the top 75% or full ring probs 50% in utg/utg1 seat of your normal preflop range and make it an extra BB, keep all raises the same!
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this is sort of okay but imo you're basically turning your hand face up..?

limping utg and then 're popping' it screams of AA, KK...

good to just raise the top 75% or full ring probs 50% in utg/utg1 seat of your normal preflop range and make it an extra BB, keep all raises the same!

This , the ole limp raise UTG is so obv.... I like to keep my standard 2.2- 2.5 x raise when ever I open a pot first. very very rarely will I limp.
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Agree that the ole limp-raise from EP with a big pair is obvious, but it still gets you action quite frequently in lower stakes...it's more to your advantage to limp/call as it disguises your hand big time, makes me think of hands like ARag, low pocket pairs, KJos etc...3 bet it if UTG+2 or MP raised and CO/button/blinds called, too...try keep it to heads up

I prefer not to do it as an EP limp often just induces more limpers, and unless someone from late position of the blinds wakes up to a genuine hand (AXs, AJos+, 99+) you can end up with no raise, playing a 5 way pot out of position with no information on what people are playing...UGLY!
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^ Spot on, you wouldnt want some fool calling with 53o would ya
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UTG raise steal works 99% of the time everytime; its the only place a preflop raise is still respected.
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Thanks for the advice.

So pretty much make people pay more for flops?
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UTG raise steal works 99% of the time everytime; its the only place a preflop raise is still respected.

not at the higher stakes. UTG raise is the new button raise as far as most are concerned.

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Thanks for the advice.

So pretty much make people pay more for flops?

Thats right. ultimately you want to get heads up with someone post flop. Its harder to play multiway pots , by getting heads up you can narrow down your opponents hand range alot easier.

Anyone else planning on playing the ACOOP main event? Its a wicked structure, 20k starting stacks with 20 min blinds. Ive step 4'd my way into it.
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I had cooler hand to bow out of my facebook free-roll in 2nd (of 729) last night; AK vs AK vs 10 2. I flopped the K then the moron who called my 3xBB preflop raise from the SB rivers trip deuces.
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Its facebook poker. Pls don't post brag posts about facebook poker..

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Can I ask. How do you finish 2nd if there are 3 people in the hand?
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Pls don't be a douche, I'll post what I like thx.

I thought you were a mega all knowing poker god, you don't know how you can get 2nd place in a 3 way cooler hand?
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How much did you win ? ......

So really you finished equal second then.....

What this tells me is that the 10 2 guy was super big stacked and was playing any two so he could pwn you and the other AK guy.


The 10 2 isn't such a bad hand to flat call a 3x pre three handed anyway. I mean, you could easily make a wheel straight... or river trip 2's. especially when up against a spewy AK tard...
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10 2 was ahead preflop man, hes got 6 outs where as the AKs only have 4
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Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.

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How much did you win ? ......

So really you finished equal second then.....

What this tells me is that the 10 2 guy was super big stacked and was playing any two so he could pwn you and the other AK guy.


The 10 2 isn't such a bad hand to flat call a 3x pre three handed anyway. I mean, you could easily make a wheel straight... or river trip 2's. especially when up against a spewy AK tard...

200K for outright second. FYI - I'm now on $3MM from my starting bank of $40

Nup, when two knockouts occur in the one hand; the player who started the hand with more chips takes the higher placing.
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