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Carrying on from this conversation:

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thinking of getting a NAS, emphasis is on cheap-but-good-quality so I only need a single-drive one (RAID is for people with actual money) that does public SMB shares and thinking of the WD My Book Live

optional bonuses are the ability to set the main public SMB share as read-only and have an additional share for an authenticated user, also nice is if it's possible to set up a low-capacity webserver with PHP & MySQL. seems the mybook live can do all of those with a little linux sperging so sign me the fuck up

anyone got any feedback on this particular product (WD My Book Live, not to be confused with WD TV Live and WD My Book World Edition), or have something else to recommend instead?

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No opinions either way, but the Qnap TS-112 matches your needs too: http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/40004-ts-112

It also has USB & eSata hosts, so you can plug in an external HDD for RAID when you're rich. Plenty of good official software addons too: http://forum.qnap.com/viewforum.php?f=121


I seem to have sold myself on the idea of a Qnap TS-112. I would have picked one up today, but there weren't any in Chinatown. There were lots of others in my price range though (d-link, netgear, imoega, thecus etc) so I'm doing some more research. My needs are not many:

- Single bay
- Samba server
- bt, sabnzbd+, sickbeard
- $200 ballpark

The big attraction with Qnap is the range of extra software you can install. Yeah you can install much of this stuff on any NAS if you simply root into Mordor (they're all embedded Linux after all) but Qnap has a ton of ready made, supported packages out of the box. Which is nice.

So what are other people running? What additional software packages are you using? Do any other brands stand up to Qnap's software support?

Thread is not just about me - sperg on your own setups, or feel free to ask what the hell any of this means.

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or feel free to ask what the hell any of this means.

What the hell does any of this mean?

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Well that wasn't very helpful.

Lead by example please.

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QNAP crew checking in.

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Throughput speeds on the cheaper (less powerful) NAS boxes can be slow - if you are moving large files around your network a lot it can be annoying.

Check that the model QNAP you are looking at does everything you want it to. My TS-210 for example doesn't run PS3 Media Server.

Also check HDD compatibility if you already have a spare drive you are thinking of using.

Otherwise they are great bang for buck. Lots of apps/packages available.
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@P337 - If you actually want to know what this is all about:

A NAS is a box which contains one or more hard drives, and connects to your network. You put all your media on it (it can be any data, not just media, but it's really about music & video in this context) so all the other computers on your network can access it. It has its own processor (very similar to smartphone hardware, so it's power efficient), and an operating system. On many, you can install extra software on it like an iTunes server, bittorrent client, etc. You manage all your software & settings via web interface from another computer.

In my case I will have a NAS doing all my downloading and storing my media library. To play that media, I'll stream it across the network to my AppleTV or PS3 (neither of which store any of their own files - they are just frontends which give me a nice menu to browse on the TV.) I could also stream to my laptop, tablet, etc.

@chippie - like a boss.

@sueno - yeah, the TS-210 seems a little underspecced by current standards. The 112/212 has a better CPU (1.2ghz vs 800mhz) and I'm only interested in straight Samba sharing, so it should be sweet. I will double check the throughput though, cheers for the heads up.

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I was initially trolling but yeah, I do actually want to get one of these (together with flat mates) in a few months time. Cheers

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Throughput speeds on the cheaper (less powerful) NAS boxes can be slow - if you are moving large files around your network a lot it can be annoying.

Check that the model QNAP you are looking at does everything you want it to. My TS-210 for example doesn't run PS3 Media Server.

Also check HDD compatibility if you already have a spare drive you are thinking of using.

Otherwise they are great bang for buck. Lots of apps/packages available.

This.

I used to use the TS101 and the "gigabit" throughput speeds were fucking balls. Still have the thing, just need to get around to ebaying it.

Think it had been on the market about a year and a half before I bought it and they stopped doing firmware upgrades around 6 months after that.. so if you're going to buy one check out the press releases on their site and get one of the more recently introduced models.
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My QNAP will max out at around 30mb.
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@ Gruso, newb here, so you can set up a NAS with Sickbeard and Sabnzbs to act like an Internet PVR? Would the WD live be able to do this? I've been eyeing off one for ages, I was almost thinking of just getting an airport extreme and using the USB port to share a HDD, but if it can act as a download box as well that will change what I'm planning on doing.
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@ Gruso, newb here, so you can set up a NAS with Sickbeard and Sabnzbs to act like an Internet PVR?

Yep. Although not a PVR as in recording live TV, but I think you know that.

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Would the WD live be able to do this? I've been eyeing off one for ages, I was almost thinking of just getting an airport extreme and using the USB port to share a HDD, but if it can act as a download box as well that will change what I'm planning on doing.

The WDTV technically can, but it looks like one of the most difficult ones to do it on. You'd be doing lots of command line Linux work with very little support. Sensible answer there is no, don't go there. To be honest most other brands aren't looking much different.

Qnap has the official software support, but I'm yet to see for myself how user friendly it is. Hopefully some others can chime in here (or I get one soon and tell you myself).
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Interface and package installation is pretty straight forward.. unless of course something goes horribly wrong with one of the apps you are running (then its time to get your CLI on)

The official QNAP forums are good.
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I have the Synology DS211 with 2 x 2TB hard drives in RAID 1.

SABNZBD+, sickbeard & couch potato running flawlessly on it.

Regret not buying the four bay model.

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Gruso, definitely look at the Synology range. I have a DS410 and it's fucking awesome. currently running 3x2TB hitachi 5400rpm drives in a RAID5 for 4TB of protected capacity, can be dynamically expanded by another 2TB when I run out of space. Runs plenty fast, often have multiple torrents running hundreds of simultaneous connectons and a really nice interface. streaming to my AC Ryan media renderer is flawless.

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Hmm, the Synology DS110j is neck and neck with the Qnap TS-112. Looks nice.

http://www.synology.com/products/pro...=enu#p_submenu



[edit] A few comparisons:-

Synology DS110j
CPU: 800mhz
RAM: 128MB
Power consumption: 9-19w

Qnap TS-112
CPU: 1.2ghz
RAM: 256MB
Power consumption: 5-7w (probably bollocks though)

Qnap kickin' goals.

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came in to post If I Ruled The World youtube, stayed for the education.

do i need to look for anything besides DLNA in the specs of my blu-ray player before i buy a Synology?
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That's all you need. You will find most media players now will just let you access directly from a network share.
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Is there a workaround with the QNAP's to be able to take an encrypted drive out of the device and mount/use it in windows?

That's the one thing that's always bothered me with the device I had, made upgrading the drives a bitch, particularly if you didn't opt for 4 bays.
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If the Ext file system is the only barrier, you could try adding driver support to Windows: http://www.fs-driver.org/

Only good for Ext2 & Ext3 though, not Ext4.
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Every pro model in the QNAP range has have online RAID migration to make things easier.
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thanks for reminding me i want to buy one of these things. i haven't got anything done all morning :research:

i need it to:
host 2 time machine backups
media server (my BD player will do the streaming)
itunes library
download manager

the cloud features in some of the QNAPs look pretty neat but dropbox.

so, i'm looking at the Synology 411slim. seems the best option @ $350.

doesn't have all those neat features i'll never use like hotswappable bays. so the "look at me, i'm sysadmining" nerd satisfaction might be lower but it should do the job.
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so, i'm looking at the Synology 411slim. seems the best option @ $350

It looks like that box only does 2.5" HDDs?
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Gruso, definitely look at the Synology range. I have a DS410 and it's fucking awesome. currently running 3x2TB hitachi 5400rpm drives in a RAID5 for 4TB of protected capacity, can be dynamically expanded by another 2TB when I run out of space. Runs plenty fast, often have multiple torrents running hundreds of simultaneous connectons and a really nice interface. streaming to my AC Ryan media renderer is flawless.

DJ_PK+ if you run out of space you should be able to plug in a 2TB ESATA drive and use the Synology software to migrate to a 4TB RAID5 - are you using the Synology hybrid RAID currently?

The DS211 doesn't have an eSATA port. (DS211+ does).

Just running standard RAID 1 (only options on the two-bay models are RAID 0 and 1).

I think this will last about a year before I max it out, will just buy a new four-bay when I need to and ebay this model.

I'm streaming to XBMC running on jailbroken Apple TV - only downside is that it doesn't to 1080p, but 720p is serving me fine.
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It looks like that box only does 2.5" HDDs?

Correct, the Synology slim models use 2,5" drives, unless you specifically want that I'd go the regular version.
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It looks like that box only does 2.5" HDDs?

oops yeh. not so sharply priced afterall.
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A word about hard drives in NAS units- avoid the WD green drives, they don;t play nice inb RAID setups. Synology have a list of approved drives on their website here, I've found Hitachi to be the go to brand for something cheap and reliable, we use them a lot in RAIDs at work too.

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If you are still thinking about this, you've probably left it a bit late.

HDD prices just got massively increased thanks to the floods in Thailand.

If the massive RAM price increase after Kim Jong Il came out and said the North Korea had nukes is any indication to how this will go, prices are unlikely to move back down again for at least 6months to a year.
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I picked up a bare 2TB drive for $129 on the weekend. A bit on the high side according to Staticice, but I think I paid the same for the last one I bought (500GB) so eh, feels good man.
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Fuck me - I bought me Seagate 2TB hard drives for $89 each from MSY about 2 months ago.

Just checked updated prices - up to $143 each now.
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Ouch, unlubricated arse-rape, I got my 3x 2TB Hitachis for $85 each a couple of months back. They're up to $129 now and appear to be about the cheapest option on the market.

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Paid $129 for an external samsung when 2tb first started becoming popular (last year I think?), cracked it open and put it in my htpc since they were out of stock of the internal drives at the time and it was only $10 more.. Was hoping for some cheaper 3tb drives by next year, Guess I'll have to be a little more brutal with culling stuff from my collection instead.
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Wow, had no idea they'd dipped that low. I also bought a 160GB drive for a repair job on the weekend. $70.
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Hard drive prices are on the rise thanks to Thailand (where most hdds are manufactured) being underwater
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Yeah prices rose at wholesalers last week.

Retailers may sell drives they bought before the rise at the old prices over the next week or so but most retailers will have raised their prices even on old stock. Sounds like you got it just in time Gruso.

Just spoke to a wholesaler and they can't guarantee that prices won't rise again in the next few weeks.
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that explains all the ladyboy porn on my latest HDD
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Can anyone suggest a NAS which will rip my 1000 or so CDs? Like, open all the jewel cases, load the disc, etc... *grumble grumble*
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Can anyone suggest a NAS which will rip my 1000 or so CDs? Like, open all the jewel cases, load the disc, etc... *grumble grumble*

http://www.acronova.com/blu-ray_cd_d...nimbie_usb.htm

It won't open the jewel cases for you, but it will rip a spindle of 100 discs at a time. Alternatively, set up a bogus data storage business and get a work experience kid for a week.
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http://www.acronova.com/blu-ray_cd_d...nimbie_usb.htm

It won't open the jewel cases for you, but it will rip a spindle of 100 discs at a time. Alternatively, set up a bogus data storage business and get a work experience kid for a week.

I mentioned the nimbie a while back on here, then just a month ago I attempted to remember what the name was to search for it, tried every cd duplication term on ITM I could think of to no success.. and now you post it. Was considering talking my dad into going halves in one, he's got a lot of Italian music on CD that you just can't download anywhere, I just wonder if all the track names for this italian stuff would be found on the online databases?

fucking hell, it wasn't that long ago I mentioned it either, only May!.. http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/sho...postcount=1762 ..my memory is atrocious.


btw bussy, fuck the jewel cases off regardless of whether you're ripping them or not, doesn't take that long to eject them all from their cases, stack the CDs between liners, put them in a big plastic storage box and chuck out the jewel cases.

Managed to turn three huge boxes of CD's into just under a boxes worth by chucking out the jewel cases, far more space in my cupboards for more important shit now.
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That's all you need. You will find most media players now will just let you access directly from a network share.

Not always.
The Noontec (and posibly a wdmp) don't let you back track a drive to another computer.
You can connect the player to another networked drive, but if you have a HDD on that player, you can't share the drive to other computers/players.

Hence my purchase of another desktop and Tb drives to act as a server.
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I mentioned the nimbie a while back on here, then just a month ago I attempted to remember what the name was to search for it, tried every cd duplication term on ITM I could think of to no success.. and now you post it.

I remembered the conversation, and found it by searching diarx posts for 'group'
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I am currently running 9TB in a Synology DS411J and I would highly recommend this NAS to anyone! Pretty easy to use and very stable!
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I remembered the conversation, and found it by searching diarx posts for 'group'

Why didn't I think of that?
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Hence why I said "most"

God damn semantics. they'll be the death of the internet.

P.S. is it true if you type Google into Google, you will break the internet?









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