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But no one ever said that English football is the best. I think this whole forum knows that.

So why are you arguing with me over my comments that basically add up to something along the lines of, "a player doesn't have to prove themselves or perform well in the EPL, to still be considered a quality player" and "the majority of Brazilian internationals are quality, regardless of their performances in the EPL"? Fozzie told me you are a tool.

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It's not often I agree with Dero but Ashley Cole is by FAR the best left back the EPL has seen and quite possibly the best left back in the world of the 00's. Even now it's hard to name many better than him. He's fast, he can tackle, he can cross, he defends well and most importantly he has a football brain and covers whoever his left sided midfielder is.

I get that Arsenal fans hate him because he left and went to Chelsea. I get that most other people hate him because he's a ****. Personally I hate him because not only did he shag Cheryl Cole but he also married her before getting bored of her. But you can't doubt his talent.

Also I think comparing Roberto Carlos and Cole is like chalk and cheese. One can tackle well, the other one couldn't. One required Makalele to cover his side so he could push forward, the other didn't. One could shoot, the other can't. One always tracks back, the other didn't etc etc etc. It's almost like comparing two different positions, that's how different they are.
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BREAKING NEWS: the king is GONE!

exciting times! GOODBYE HENDERSON. GOODBYE CARROLL.
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Fuck

To be fair, it was an awful season and some of his team selections were mystifying..anyone else would have been sacked
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So we are now at the base of the scouse boom/bust cycle. We assend over the summer months to the heady summit
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Foreign manager in = exodus of players out = Liverpool maybe challenging a bit next season
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Wonder whether the owners are willing to spend another 40-50 million to fix the mess.

Not like they'll get a good return if they sell guys like Henderson, Carroll etc
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It was the right decision. Had to be done.
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Id like to see someone like Jurgen Klopp come in. Not sure why he'd leave Dortmund for us though.
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Dalglish needed time, he needed the summer to worm out some of the older statesmen of the club like Gerrard and Carragher. Liverpool have some decent youngsters and if Dalglish had support of the board he would've started blooding them. Its sad that the egos of old past their prime players has cost a quality coach his job. Liverpool has players INTENTIONALLY performing below par so he could get the sack.

As long as Tom Werner continues with the managerial merry go round Liverpool will continue to struggle. He needed to stick with Dalglish and change the playing staff, i.e. discard the older players who are not performing and bring in better/younger ones in their place. He needed to be allowed to exert HIS authority as it would seem that he was constantly being undermined by some of the 'senior' players. Bringing back Benitez would not be the answer.

The problem isn't so much Dalglish as it is Werner, his dirty yank money infecting the club, and ageing players. Players like Carragher, Gerrard and Reina have been allowed too much influence by their interefering club owner. Dalgish needed to be allowed to cut loose the players he didn't want, and keep those he did. They resist new playing styles, new training methods and all the while bleat to their ex-manager Benitez. Cut them loose and move on. Coaches need time. Dalglish is a liverpool legend and he's been treated disgustingly in this whole affair.

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Looking at Twitter and Facebook LFC pages..

A lot of Pewl fans seem to be ignoring the fact that regardless of the coaching staff, most of the players they've had on the park this season are pretty shit.

It's not just poor performances from a team of quality individual players like it has been with Chelsea in the league this year.
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This is completely subjective obviously, but it just so happens I objectively agree with it.
I still get emotional at this. Ha ha ha ha.

lol awesome. is that the year Arsenal won on goal difference? also lol @ dalglish's mullet face

I think the added elements to this year were

- City v United. It would have been less special if it was City v Chelsea or something

- QPR playing to avoid relegation. They didn't just show up mid table and not giving a shit
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So Martinez is heading for History it seems......
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And tbh, cole was the best lb in his day.
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Kenny gone. That's Downing's second asssist of the season.
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Dalglish needed time, he needed the summer to worm out some of the older statesmen of the club like Gerrard and Carragher. Liverpool have some decent youngsters and if Dalglish had support of the board he would've started blooding them. Its sad that the egos of old past their prime players has cost a quality coach his job. Liverpool has players INTENTIONALLY performing below par so he could get the sack.

As long as Tom Werner continues with the managerial merry go round Liverpool will continue to struggle. He needed to stick with Dalglish and change the playing staff, i.e. discard the older players who are not performing and bring in better/younger ones in their place. He needed to be allowed to exert HIS authority as it would seem that he was constantly being undermined by some of the 'senior' players. Bringing back Benitez would not be the answer.

The problem isn't so much Dalglish as it is Werner, his dirty yank money infecting the club, and ageing players. Players like Carragher, Gerrard and Reina have been allowed too much influence by their interefering club owner. Dalgish needed to be allowed to cut loose the players he didn't want, and keep those he did. They resist new playing styles, new training methods and all the while bleat to their ex-manager Benitez. Cut them loose and move on. Coaches need time. Dalglish is a liverpool legend and he's been treated disgustingly in this whole affair.

The problem isn;t so much AVB as it is Abramovich. His dirty russian money infecting the club and ageing players. Players like Lampard, Drogba and Terry have been allowed too much influence by their interfering club owner. AVB needed to be allowed to cut loose the players he didn't want and keep those he did. etc etc etc etc etc

Reading the Liverpool Echo comments section, its about 50/50 in support of KK and against. And knowing the demographic that a) read the Echo and b) post comments suggests that most sane Reds will reluctantly admit he had to go.

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The thing is, having already sunk a boatload of cash into the club, FSG will probably be loath to invest any more and the next manager will have to make do with the shower of shit currently available to him after Dalglish's transfer disasters. As a result, next season all the Liverpool faithful will be talking about is how much of a mistake it was getting rid of him as the new manager hasn't been able to do any better.

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It's all set up for his return:

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So Martinez is heading for History it seems......

Big gamble on someone who seems to only gets his team to *really* perform in the last 8 games of the season... If they're going to not get a big name (Benitez/Capello) and promote someone from a smaller club, Paul Lambert would be a great choice. Or Brendan Rogers.
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Cant argue with a word of this article...

Dalglish an appointment out of time
May 16, 2012
By Richard Jolly


"You want to move the club forward back to where it was before" - Kenny Dalglish, April 2012.

Dalglish's second coming could not replicate the glory of his previous regime
GettyImagesDalglish's second coming could not replicate the glory of his previous regime

The concept of the past being Liverpool's future was one of the contradictions of Kenny Dalglish's second coming. Once the finest of strikers, he assembled a side that struggled to score. The Kop's darling managed a team who sent their supporters home frustrated by their inability to win at home. His charges were, until an awful first hour in the FA Cup final, terrific in the knockout competitions but, by Anfield's high standards, terrible in the league. A man who can be funny, even charming, in private proved needlessly hostile and invariably awkward in public.

A unifying figure when he returned, initially as caretaker manager, 16 months ago, had become divisive. Among his adherents, Dalglish was the answer, a galvanising force who had been let down by Damien Comolli and underperforming players and suffered at the whims of the woodwork, opposing goalkeepers and the Football Association.

For others, especially outside Anfield, he was the problem, crying misfortune instead of accepting Liverpool's failings, a manager whose policy of buying British had been a costly catastrophe and whose results, once so encouraging, deteriorated to the level that only Aston Villa, Blackburn and Wolves took fewer points in 2012.

"Disappointing" was the word owner John W Henry diplomatically used. It was an understandable understatement. The last 19 league games have yielded only 18 points. That should be unacceptable for Liverpool, just as eighth place, 47 goals and 52 points are nowhere near good enough. Hence the dispassionate decision taken in Boston. If the sacked manager's name were not Kenny Dalglish, this may have been uncontroversial.

Instead, it is the bravest move Fenway Sports Group could have made. Dalglish, rightly, commands huge loyalty at Anfield; many have memories of the Scot delivering victory in the 1978 European Cup final; still more, and still more significantly, recall the humanity, humility and dignity he displayed after the Hillsborough disaster. His is a greatness that extends beyond 172 goals or 515 games in a red shirt.

Pity, then, the successor who has to compete with a legend. Unless the next manager gets immediate results, the Dalglish diehards will call for the return of their King. They will be disappointed: American owners have shown they are Republicans. A Boston Tea Party has led to their declaration of independence from the Merseyside royalists. New World sensibilities have been imposed on a traditional club.

And as director of football Damien Comolli, head of sports science Peter Brukner and director of communications Ian Cotton had already discovered, they are ruthless. The level of FSG's disappointment with Liverpool's season should be obvious, the feeling that they deem the last 12 months a wasted year very clear.

Dalglish has been guilty of a series of misjudgements, both major and minor, over a troubled year. The mishandling of the Luis Suarez affair damaged the club's reputation and the team's season. His prickly persona was more of an issue in an age of 24-hour rolling sports coverage than it was in the analogue days of the 1980s; a man who, as Henry said, "personifies everything that is good about Liverpool" contrived to alienate and annoy in front of a camera.

His transfer dealings made it hard for FSG to trust Dalglish with funds this summer. Given the chance to perform a high-budget overhaul, he compiled a squad lacking a reasonable alternative to Lucas as a defensive midfielder or a clinical finisher. It was a group where almost all the finest performers were already at Anfield, the majority of the weak links the recent arrivals. There were too few signs that enough were playing for the manager in a dispiriting end to the campaign.

Meanwhile, the excessive fees paid for Stewart Downing, Jordan Henderson and Charlie Adam reflect poorly on Comolli. But the actual assessment that they had the talent and temperament Liverpool demand was the manager's mistake; they formed part of the case for the prosecution of Dalglish. The question has to be posed if the 61-year-old has the knowledge of foreign football required to recruit abroad; until comparatively recently, during his extended break from the frontline, he was still confusing two Premier League strikers with similar names but of very different capabilities.

Some complained that Dalglish had too little power; arguably he had too much. The manager was reluctant to heed advice - wearing the Suarez T-shirt was a particularly imprudent move - and at times his instincts betrayed him. For him, his way and the Liverpool Way were one and the same.

And yet this was not the 'Liverpool Way'. That was an incomparable tradition of winning. This was their poorest league season in half a century and came in an era when, unless in exceptional circumstances, the Premier League and the Champions League are the true barometers of progress.

After initial improvement when Dalglish replaced Roy Hodgson, Liverpool regressed. After a year of expensive underachievement, they are further away from contention in May 2012 than they were in May 2011. And so Fenway Sports Group will take a very different approach, almost certainly targeting a younger, more progressive manager. The sense of sadness that a job Dalglish had wanted to regain for 20 years should be removed from him after one should not disguise the necessity of a change at the helm. This is no time for sentiment.

Dalglish, the perfect appointment in 1985, was an imperfect choice forced upon the owners, 26 years later. The game had changed, and he proved a man out of time. Liverpool have made a decision to part company with their glorious past. The nostalgia trip is over. Now they have to accelerate into the future.
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The problem isn;t so much AVB as it is Abramovich. His dirty russian money infecting the club and ageing players. Players like Lampard, Drogba and Terry have been allowed too much influence by their interfering club owner. AVB needed to be allowed to cut loose the players he didn't want and keep those he did. etc etc etc etc etc





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have you forgot that chelsea don't have a manager nickko , yes we have rdm but there is no certainly he will stay after ucl final
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I thought it was all but certain he would be offered the gig full-time...?
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kinda disappointed.

Shocked also not sure how another manager getting sacked is going to put us in a better position. Arhh well lets just see, hopefully they look after KK.

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I thought it was all but certain he would be offered the gig full-time...?

they have keep quiet about the whole situation - so no-one knows if he will get the fulltime status or not , if we win on sunday our time, it will fucked stupid not to give rdm the managers position, he will hopefully get the one thing that the past mangers haven't been able to get the ucl.

but know fucking chelsea they will fuck up a really good position by not giving it to rdm and and looking for a brand new manger and forking out 15+ for a new contract.
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...irrespective of the result. The decision to appoint a coach should never hinge on the result of a cup final.
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Im not sure i think RDM is the man to take the club forward over the long run.

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...irrespective of the result. The decision to appoint a coach should never hinge on the result of a cup final.

Agreed..it would be say...fucked stupid?
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...it was all but certain he would be offered the gig full-time...

Not @ you nickko, but I hate this 'it is all but certain' or 'it is all but over' phrase - I have to stop and thinking whether it's 'it is certain'/'it is over' or 'it's not certain'/'it's not over'. Sometimes people who use that get it confused with 'it's anything but' and I have nfi what they mean.

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