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As somebody else pointed out: "Same shit, different face."
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As somebody else pointed out: "Same shit, different face."

It'll be different shit, maybe similar, but I can't believe it's going to be as sordid as the last two years.
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It'll be different shit, maybe similar, but I can't believe it's going to be as sordid as the last two years.

If I learned anything about politics it is that it can always get "better".
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"release the Kradlin" imo better.
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IN an incredible early lift in the polls, a majority of Labor voters said Malcolm Turnbull is a better Prime Minister over Bill Shorten

A snap Morgan poll conducted today on who Australian voters think is the better PM found Mr Turnbull is preferred by 70 per cent of voters compared to 24 per cent for Bill Shorten.

The special Snap SMS poll of 1204 voters also found a majority of Labor supporters say Mr Turnbull is the better leader, with 50 per cent supporting him compared to 44 per cent supporting Opposition Leader Bill Shorten.

“Turnbull leads clearly amongst both genders, across all States and Territories and leads Shorten across supporters of both major parties,” Gary Morgan said.

“Greens supporters have also swung behind the new Prime Minister: Turnbull 57 per cent; Shorten 38 per cent.’’

The early numbers in Mr Turnbull’s favour come after he faced his first revolt with three Nationals crossing the floor of the Senate to vote against the government.

Australians showing themselves as shallow as ever and with the memory of a goldfish.
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I don't even understand why Turnbull has all this goodwill, especially after the NBN and Utegate.
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I don't even understand why Turnbull has all this goodwill, especially after the NBN and Utegate.

Surface qualities.
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I don't even understand why Turnbull has all this goodwill, especially after the NBN and Utegate.

Sheer blessed relief.
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The liberal party should now be turning its attention to destroying the credibility and career of Cory Bernardi in the same fashion it did One Nation. He will be a major problem for Turnbull and the party as a whole.
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I don't even understand why Turnbull has all this goodwill, especially after the NBN and Utegate.

He has supported gay marriage and he's not Abbott.

Gen X and Y generally want to vote liberal so the good times roll and the age of entitlement continues. They just don't like social conservatives.
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I don't even understand why Turnbull has all this goodwill, especially after the NBN and Utegate.

What was he supposed to do on the nbn, adopt ALP policy and tell the rest of the party to go fuck itself?

Utegate, that was a chastening experience. Showed the man has flaws. In the end it's probably helped him.
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Utegate, that was a chastening experience. Showed the man has flaws. In the end it's probably helped him.

I still think Utegate and Godwin Grech was a trap set for Malcolm Turnbull by Tony Abbott. Turnbull realised he was rolled afterwards and patiently waited to roll Abbott. The Rudd-Gillard-Rudd events would have given Turnbull confidence that it will work out in the end.

The rolling didn't start with Turnbull though. The first person to get rolled was Brendan Nelson when he was opposition leader after Howard lost his seat.

To come full circle we would have to have Brendan Nelson come back to reclaim leadership of the Liberals.

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But, but he is in their own party
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But, but he is in their own party

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not for long if he listens to Bolt's suggestion

I wish !! Then we could release the Turnbull
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Surface qualities.

Let's be honest, he's as slick as baby seal, but his redeeming qualities are more than skin deep. You don't become a partner of Goldman Sachs and rise to the top of the ARM based on surface qualities.

I don't think it's too much to ask of a leader that he/she is articulate, intelligent, and can riff on policy with confidence without reading from notes. Watching the Howard presser yesterday, reminded me that (love him or loathe him) most Australians probably think we haven't had a leader that fulfilled those qualities since him (Gillard didn't get a chance to get out of the box before Murdoch laid the boot in).

I would never vote for him, but it's unsurprising that voters from across the spectrum like him and are willing to look past the rest of his party, because he's ticking the competency boxes after a decade of (perceived) embarrassments.
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Let's be honest, he's as slick as baby seal, but his redeeming qualities are more than skin deep. You don't become a partner of Goldman Sachs and rise to the top of the ARM based on surface qualities.

I don't think it's too much to ask of a leader that he/she is articulate, intelligent, and can riff on policy with confidence without reading from notes. Watching the Howard presser yesterday, reminded me that (love him or loathe him) most Australians probably think we haven't had a leader that fulfilled those qualities since him (Gillard didn't get a chance to get out of the box before Murdoch laid the boot in).

I would never vote for him, but it's unsurprising that voters from across the spectrum like him and are willing to look past the rest of his party, because he's ticking the competency boxes after a decade of (perceived) embarrassments.

I would question if it was what I would consider redeemable qualities that got him there.
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What was he supposed to do on the nbn, adopt ALP policy and tell the rest of the party to go fuck itself?

Yes, at least argue for the FTTP vision in the party. Don't forget Turnbull flat out bullshitted non-stop, filled NBN Co with Telstra stooges and attacked and abused anyone who dare question MTM, even members of the public.

NBN showed that Turnbull is a lifeless corporate hack like the rest of the LNP, hes just more eloquent.
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Dare one say it, he looks and acts like he has statesman-like qualities.

You are right he does that extremely well But it's fake.
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But, but he is in their own party

No he's not. He will be the main source of destabilisation. If the Libs want to stay in power he needs to be wearing concrete boots soon.
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Dare one say it, he looks and acts like he has statesman-like qualities.

Exactly. He exudes a base level of competence that we see in (almost) every other world leader and expect in somebody who's risen to the very top; little wonder he's broadly popular.

Rudd had it but he disappeared down a hole of detailed programmatic specificity after he was elected.
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Yes, at least argue for the FTTP vision in the party. Don't forget Turnbull flat out bullshitted non-stop, filled NBN Co with Telstra stooges and attacked and abused anyone who dare question MTM, even members of the public.

NBN showed that Turnbull is a lifeless corporate hack like the rest of the LNP, hes just more eloquent.

He's not stupid. He lost the leadership and most of the party were looking for a reason to drop him to the backbench or out of the party.

He now has to manage the Nats but I see the end game of winning enough seats in his own right to fuck off the nationals and do whatever he wants.
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No he's not. He will be the main source of destabilisation. If the Libs want to stay in power he needs to be wearing concrete boots soon.

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https://delimiter.com.au/2015/09/14/...ions-minister/

Good to see that Renai's finally had his mind control hypnosis completely broken. It wasn't that long ago Renai was arguing MTM was superior too FTTP
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He's not stupid. He lost the leadership and most of the party were looking for a reason to drop him to the backbench or out of the party.

He now has to manage the Nats but I see the end game of winning enough seats in his own right to fuck off the nationals and do whatever he wants.

Quite a bit of naivety here. Turnbull would be booted by the Liberal party before they got rid of the Nationals.
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Corey Bernadi
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About that, Bernardi threatens to leave party:
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Missing the point about threatening, that it should be something the other party DOESN'T want.
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https://delimiter.com.au/2015/09/14/...ions-minister/

Good to see that Renai's finally had his mind control hypnosis completely broken. It wasn't that long ago Renai was arguing MTM was superior too FTTP

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You didn't happen to catch a caller named Stephanie did you?



You'd know her if you've listened to 2GB for any amount of time
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You didn't happen to catch a caller named Stephanie did you?



You'd know her if you've listened to 2GB for any amount of time

Just tuned in the hear Jones, Price, Bolt and Hadley. Such pettiness when things don't go their way. They are like children.
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He's not stupid. He lost the leadership and most of the party were looking for a reason to drop him to the backbench or out of the party.

He now has to manage the Nats but I see the end game of winning enough seats in his own right to fuck off the nationals and do whatever he wants.

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You didn't happen to catch a caller named Stephanie did you?



You'd know her if you've listened to 2GB for any amount of time

Is she the 80 year old Liberal voter who has been a member since the day it was formed? Alan Jones show yesterday was hilarious.
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Is she the 80 year old Liberal voter who has been a member since the day it was formed? Alan Jones show yesterday was hilarious.


Yeah she's basically AJ if he were a grandmother from Mosman born into a life of privilege. Rings up at least 3 times a day.

Before the vote she was convinced Abbott had set a trap for Turnbull and Bishop and was going to win easily

Im dying to hear from her now
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I like the idea of bernadi splitting off and creating a "conservatives party".

he would soon discover the conservative public isn't as large as he thought.

Besides itd be a good move for our country not only because of it moving away from the 2 party system where many people vote "not labor" or "not liberal" instead of voting on their policy preferences, it would also mean turnbull can run a liberal party with progressive social views rather with the touch of fascism the far right prefer.
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Quite a bit of naivety here. Turnbull would be booted by the Liberal party before they got rid of the Nationals.

historically yes. but look where the National's poster boy has done so far. I give Turnbull enough credit to put the Libs in the position to no longer require their services, then the negotiations re-start. Parting ways might be a step too far, I'll give you that.
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historically yes. but look where the National's poster boy has done so far. I give Turnbull enough credit to put the Libs in the position to no longer require their services, then the negotiations re-start. Parting ways might be a step too far, I'll give you that.

Who is the National's poster boy?

Given Turnbull was a disaster as opposition leader, why do you think he'll be better second time around?
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Given Turnbull was a disaster as opposition leader, why do you think he'll be better second time around?

maybe he's learnt some humility and judgement in the past 6 years. maybe? probably not.

or maybe he will be better in power than in opposition?

I hope so, but it's doubtful.
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maybe he's learnt some humility and judgement in the past 6 years. maybe? probably not.

or maybe he will be better in power than in opposition?

I hope so, but it's doubtful.

He actually has a really poor track record as a political figure, when holding a position of influence. It wasn't just his stint as opposition leader that was a dismal failure, but as leader of the Australian Republican Movement, he was out-thought by both Howard and Abbott, at a time when support for becoming a republic was at an all time high. Many republicans blame him for that. Since then all talk of a republic has been effectively dead.

While he projects as a charismatic leader in public, I imagine he's quite a divisive figure privately.

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Yeah she's basically AJ if he were a grandmother from Mosman born into a life of privilege. Rings up at least 3 times a day.

Before the vote she was convinced Abbott had set a trap for Turnbull and Bishop and was going to win easily

Im dying to hear from her now

She was on Alan Jones yesterday, extreme butthurt.
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It would also mean turnbull can run a liberal party with progressive social views rather with the touch of fascism the far right prefer.

The Liberals were never progressive, as soon as the party was formed all the social progressives were purged then the party tried to ban trade unions and the CPA while sending the Australian army in to break strikes. The liberals have been since day 1 a illiberal reactionary party.
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Who is the National's poster boy?

Given Turnbull was a disaster as opposition leader, why do you think he'll be better second time around?

I think he will be better at his second go. At least until the next election. He's up against Bill "Shitting Himself" Shorten, who not even Labor voters like (including myself). He only needs to be seen to be competent, eloquent, and less extreme than Tony Abbott, coupled with not rocking the Coalition boat, for he, and them, to be re-elected. Long term success might be a different story. Progressive voters who vote for him should go buy themselves dunces hats though if for no other reason than, as the Delister article shows above, he was a completely shit Comms Minister and has fucking butchered the NBN.
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Let's be honest, he's as slick as baby seal, but his redeeming qualities are more than skin deep. You don't become a partner of Goldman Sachs and rise to the top of the ARM based on surface qualities.

I don't think it's too much to ask of a leader that he/she is articulate, intelligent, and can riff on policy with confidence without reading from notes. Watching the Howard presser yesterday, reminded me that (love him or loathe him) most Australians probably think we haven't had a leader that fulfilled those qualities since him (Gillard didn't get a chance to get out of the box before Murdoch laid the boot in).

I would never vote for him, but it's unsurprising that voters from across the spectrum like him and are willing to look past the rest of his party, because he's ticking the competency boxes after a decade of (perceived) embarrassments.

The normal way to become a partner in Goldman Sachs by being ruthless and driven, but I suspect he was offered a partnership because of business he could bring across from his boutique investment bank.

I agree with you about him being the articulate and charismatic leader that every country deserves. He's obviously not stupid (noting he had an almost identical education background to Abbott).

I'm not unhappy that the country is being led by the Sydney eastern suburbs elite rather than moribund north shore house and garden types, but I think people need to be aware what's behind the silver tongue.
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The normal way to become a partner in Goldman Sachs by being ruthless and driven, but I suspect he was offered a partnership because of business he could bring across from his boutique investment bank.

I agree with you about him being the articulate and charismatic leader that every country deserves. He's obviously not stupid (noting he had an almost identical education background to Abbott).

I'm not unhappy that the country is being led by the Sydney eastern suburbs elite rather than moribund north shore house and garden types, but I think people need to be aware what's behind the silver tongue.

His son who is my age has just been given his "own" hedge fund to run by the vampire squid :/

But yeah, being rid of the insular peninsula types is good.

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