[nickbrauer]

Hey guys,
i'm promoting a progressive trance party that is to be held sometime this year, but firstly i would like to get some feedback. The main focus of the party is not to make money, but to push a sound that doesn't have a lot of recognition in Sydney. The night will be called "Jab"; punchy progressive trance, and it will be similar to the sound that Nick Warren and Paul Oakenfold played on their latest Australian tours. You might remeber prog trance being played circa 96-99 at the Pitt st Sublime and the palladium at Plastic. Sice then, its died a bit. Anyway... i have already spoken to the DJ's, and they have agreed to play. On the roster we have Simon Bell (Simon Sez), Scott Baker, Daniel Crocetti, (Sweetchilli), Mark Dynamix, and Robbie Lowe. If the party goes well, we will do another one with a different roster. For the opening, we are thinking of having Mark do a 2hr 96-99 Voodoo prog trance anthem set, but thats just an idea.For the venue, we have been tossing up either the City Hotel or The Bank, however we are open to suggestions. We haven't decided on a date, but we are looking at maybe August or September. Cover charge would be about $15, no more. So thats it guys and girls, so far all we have had is nothing but positive feedback, and that makes us even more driven to throw a cracker of a party. Thanks a lot guys, and please don't hesitate to tell us what you think.
8-)

[bumba]

best of luck Nick, i love my prog trance, always have....dont know if too many others do tho

but if u need a dopey blonde PR chick, let me know

[Juggalo Muli]

Awesome, i love prog trance

Gabriel & Dresden, lemon 8, max graham style

/start self plug

if u need a dj i would love to play, u can email me dmulhern@ozemail.com.au

/end shamless plug



But yea i would be up fer it, i love prog trance, nick warren was awesome.

[Tranceformerz]

Prog trance with that line-up!!

Awesome dood!

[Interloper]

Sounds good.

[buffed]

Just an idea.....drop the term 'trance' and just keep it as progressive. Those of us who know our music and DJ's will be there (without the gurners who get pissed off because they don't hear Paul van dyk or van buuren).

If it truly is progressive and not another trance night, then i'll be there.

Check out the cauldron for a venue. It hasn't been used as a party venue for some time, but has a good feel to it, is large enough and something different.

Another one is Civic Hotel, although sound is always a problem there.

There's a place called Rosie O'grady's near Moreton's which is great. It is indoor/outdoor which would be good in september, just not sure if their license let's them open past 3.00am.

[Juggalo Muli]

well i happen to know a lot of people that like AVB, and PVD

and also like Prog trance, the above djs usually start their sets (if its a longer set) with prog trance.

SO GET OVER YOURSELF BUFFED!!

[boz-e]

progressive and trance

why am I reminded of that scene from the blues brothers?

we got both kinds of music...

[buffed]

Quote:

Originally posted by Juggalo Muli
well i happen to know a lot of people that like AVB, and PVD

and also like Prog trance, the above djs usually start their sets (if its a longer set) with prog trance.

SO GET OVER YOURSELF BUFFED!!

That wasn't my point.....is this night going to be progressive or trance, because if PVD and AVB gets played then it's trance....no different to the already too many trance nights in sydney.

If it's James holden, Noel Sanger, Mark Lowndes, Lemon 8, Quivver, etc then fine. If it's going to be PVD, AVB etc then i'm not interested......it's just another trance nght.

[Juggalo Muli]

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Originally posted by buffed




If it's James holden, Noel Sanger, Mark Lowndes, Lemon 8, Quivver, etc then fine. If it's going to be PVD, AVB etc then i'm not interested......it's just another trance nght.

id say it would be like that, considering the line-up.

And there are not a heap of trance nights in sydney, u have Altitude and Liberty which plays prog and trance, thats two nights, not heaps.

[orpheus]

Funny. I was just talking about exactly the same thing with a mate recently.

I think it's a great idea. I've only recently come to appreciate progressive trance. In my opinion it's awesome, not too fast and not too slow.

I would promote it as a progressive trance night, as I believe prog house and prog trance are totally different sounds.

I wouldn't use The Bank as a venue though. Max. capacity restrictions rule it out.

Maybe see how The Gaelic Club would suit the event.

Another couple of DJ's to think about using are Tony Cabalfin and Lee Hardy, both of whom are playing at Alt.Relaunch next friday.

Muli's not bad either I hear

[danaele]

The city hotel worked quite well for the 64 party - so outta the two Id go with that.

Good luck


p.s. what the hells prog-trancet that every1 keeps talkin bout? I dont have a clue with genres.

[orpheus]

Quote:

Originally posted by danaele
p.s. what the hells prog-trancet that every1 keeps talkin bout? I dont have a clue with genres.

Good artists/producers/djs include (in my mind) Gabriel & Dresden, Tarrentella & Redanka, Sasha, Nick Warren & Paul Oakenfold (current style). I'm relatively new to the style myself but I know alot of people will know heaps more. C'mon lilpumpkin, Muli, dj way etc. Lend a hand.

[DarkenRahl]

I'll be there like a bear, a thin under nourished bear.

I'm just discovering the wonders of prog-trance.

Venue wise I don't have a clue so I will suggest a lampoon location instead.

Ahem. Tommos on george st.

[Scott Baker]

Quote:

Originally posted by danaele
The city hotel worked quite well for the 64 party - so outta the two Id go with that.

Good luck

i couldnt agree more, i think the city hotel is your answer... use the upstairs part so then some people can flow down onto the bottom level to chill if it gets quite busy - that worked really well with 64.

as for what prog-trance is ... check out some productions by Starecase, Max Graham, Gabriel & Dresden, Way Out West etc.. & dj sets by Nick Warren, Oakenfold etc

8-)

[EyesClosed]

Quote:

Originally posted by Juggalo Muli
well i happen to know a lot of people that like AVB, and PVD

and also like Prog trance, the above djs usually start their sets (if its a longer set) with prog trance.

SO GET OVER YOURSELF BUFFED!!

Muli,

i dont know you, but anytime anyone says the slightest thing against trance, you go all sooky and have a tantrum. Chill, stop taking the shyt so personal, its not a personal attack. Youre gonna give yourself a heartattack by the age of 30.

PEACE!

[Juggalo Muli]

Quote:

Originally posted by orpheus
Good artists/producers/djs include (in my mind) Gabriel & Dresden, Tarrentella & Redanka, Sasha, Nick Warren & Paul Oakenfold (current style). I'm relatively new to the style myself but I know alot of people will know heaps more. C'mon lilpumpkin, Muli, dj way etc. Lend a hand.

um what he said, and well AShley Caselle has some good stuff, lemon 8, max graham, James Holden. All be said tho.

And no i dont always get pissed off, its just that Buffed is always paying it out lately.

[Lambretta]

Talking of prog trance, I thought Steve Lawler played the best prog trance I've heard in the last 2 years when he played his Lights Out set last year.

I can't remember who mentioned Antonio Cabalfin, but I would recommend him if you are putting on a prog trance party as he loves this genre of music and is a pretty good DJ.

Also, Martyn Allen has an amazing collection of progressive trance stuff, so if you do more parties you might want to get him to play a set.

Cheers, Lamb.

[dj flipside]

the only people i could think of who play prog trance out of the djs there is mark pulling out his older stuff and myb scott dont the rest play more proggy house

[buffed]

Guys,

Why do we have to break everything down into these genres and pigeonholes.

First and foremost, James Holden, Max Graham, Starecase, Lemon 8, Quivver, Blackwatch, Noel Sanger, etc etc are all PROGRESSIVE.

They do not classify themselves as 'trance' and while their music has some trance influences, it also has techno, house, breaks etc.

So what is with all this classifification of these guys as progressive trance. That is why i said just call it progressive. In fact, why do you need to label it as anything at all. Those of us who know those DJ's know exactly what they play. Secondly, in the promo's, why not say something like;

"we will be pushing the sounds of Nick Warren, James Holden, Starecase, Noel Sanger, Christian West, Blackwatch", instead of calling it a 'progressive trance' night. All that does is confuse people as it has done here.

[djway]

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Originally posted by dj flipside
the only people i could think of who play prog trance out of the djs there is mark pulling out his older stuff and myb scott dont the rest play more proggy house

Simon Bell (Sez), after the 3x I've heard him play out, and by his own validation plays prog trance Ton-e (Who isn't in the initial line up), also plays prog-trance which has been heard and validated.

--djway

[Jerry]

I reckon Sean Quinn would be good if you are looking for an interstate guest in the future. He plays prog trance in his sets sometimes and would have probably the best back catelogue of the genre in Australia..

[djway]

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Originally posted by buffed
Guys,

Why do we have to break everything down into these genres and pigeonholes.

First and foremost, James Holden, Max Graham, Starecase, Lemon 8, Quivver, Blackwatch, Noel Sanger, etc etc are all PROGRESSIVE.

They do not classify themselves as 'trance' and while their music has some trance influences, it also has techno, house, breaks etc.

So what is with all this classifification of these guys as progressive trance. That is why i said just call it progressive. In fact, why do you need to label it as anything at all. Those of us who know those DJ's know exactly what they play. Secondly, in the promo's, why not say something like;

"we will be pushing the sounds of Nick Warren, James Holden, Starecase, Noel Sanger, Christian West, Blackwatch", instead of calling it a 'progressive trance' night. All that does is confuse people as it has done here.

Progressive has sooooo many directions it can go on. Those who like say prog-house may not like prog-trance. That is why progressive gets broken down to sub genres all the time.

Re why not pushing but internationals that have the same sound, agreed, a good idea

--djway

[buffed]

Quote:

Originally posted by Juggalo Muli


um what he said, and well AShley Caselle has some good stuff, lemon 8, max graham, James Holden. All be said tho.

And no i dont always get pissed off, its just that Buffed is always paying it out lately.

If you'd have read any of my posts of late, you would know that the sound you call 'progressive trance' is my favourite sound.

What i was bagging was the AVB and PVD sound which has absolutely no relation to the sound which James Holden, Lemon 8, max graham etc play.

[djway]

Quote:

Originally posted by orpheus
Good artists/producers/djs include (in my mind) Gabriel & Dresden, Tarrentella & Redanka, Sasha, Nick Warren & Paul Oakenfold (current style). I'm relatively new to the style myself but I know alot of people will know heaps more. C'mon lilpumpkin, Muli, dj way etc. Lend a hand.

Ton-e's the man on this topic....I'll TRY and add a few more examples......

Lamb (with tracks such as Gorecki)
Main Element - Take me Down (FARKING WOW!)
Dave Seaman

3 is more than 0

--djway

[orpheus]

Quote:

Originally posted by buffed
Why do we have to break everything down into these genres and pigeonholes.

I believe prog house and prog trance are very different styles. I don't like prog house but I love prog trance. I think if you're putting on a party and you want prog trance played, then you should promote it as a prog trance night.

[djway]

Quote:

Originally posted by buffed


What i was bagging was the AVB and PVD sound which has absolutely no relation to the sound which James Holden, Lemon 8, max graham etc play.

Umm....I dare say you are wrong. If you listen to ANY AvB set, they nearly always start off with prog trance tracks......www.arminvanbuuren.com check it out yourself.

PvD ALSO, (from the 15 sets I've got of his) play prog-trance or prog breaks at the start of his sets, esp in the longer sets.....

This is not something either Muli or I are guessing about, we know.

--djway

[Sellout_1]

Im The Door Bitch!!!!


-and i think it will be a top night !!!!

[buffed]

Quote:

Originally posted by orpheus
I believe prog house and prog trance are very different styles. I don't like prog house but I love prog trance. I think if you're putting on a party and you want prog trance played, then you should promote it as a prog trance night.

They're not really orpheus. I've never heard a progressive DJ or producer that at some point hasn't played or produced tracks with sounds ranging from house through to techno and trance. That's the thing with progressive.....it incorporates all those styles.

Producers and DJ's that have have been named like Lamb, Lemon 8, Max Graham etc push more of a house sound than anything.

If you look at Lemon 8's latest compilation CD, the first CD is basically house, the second CD has a more trancey influence.

That's why i raised the point. Like most real progressive fans, we like all the progressive sounds.......what we don't like is the AVB and PVD sound which many here also refer to as progressive trance.

[orpheus]

Quote:

Originally posted by buffed
What i was bagging was the AVB and PVD sound which has absolutely no relation to the sound which James Holden, Lemon 8, max graham etc play.

I'm with dj way on this one. I think you need to be specific here buffed. If you are referring to their sound, as in what they release as singles/albums, then you are right. If you are talking about the sound they play when they play live, alot of it is prog-trance/prog breaks at the start.

[orpheus]

Quote:

Originally posted by buffed
They're not really orpheus. I've never heard a progressive DJ or producer that at some point hasn't played or produced tracks with sounds ranging from house through to techno and trance. That's the thing with progressive.....it incorporates all those styles.

Ok. Then why can't you differentiate between prog house and prog trance? I think if you're putting on a party you will pull different crowds depending on the style you offer. I think you will get a different crowd at a prog house night than you would at a prog trance night.

[buffed]

Quote:

Originally posted by djway


Umm....I dare say you are wrong. If you listen to ANY AvB set, they nearly always start off with prog trance tracks......www.arminvanbuuren.com check it out yourself.

PvD ALSO, (from the 15 sets I've got of his) play prog-trance or prog breaks at the start of his sets, esp in the longer sets.....

This is not something either Muli or I are guessing about, we know.

--djway

You must be kidding. if you can seriously equate the sound of the guys i mentioned to PVD and Van Buurin, then i give up.

I just saw AVB's web site and there is nothing there that i would call a progressive sound, except for the odd Kleinenberg track or Sasha track in there.

Orpheus, have a listen to a full James Holden or Lemon 8 set, and then have a listen to a full PVD or AVB set, and i think you'll agree with me, It's like chalk and cheese.

[buffed]

Quote:

Originally posted by orpheus
Ok. Then why can't you differentiate between prog house and prog trance? I think if you're putting on a party you will pull different crowds depending on the style you offer. I think you will get a different crowd at a prog house night than you would at a prog trance night.

That's why i asked, because we all have different versions of exactly what progressive is.

If it's AVB and PVD, i'm not interested.

If it's Lemon 8, James Holden, Max Graham then i'm interested.

Any real fan of the progressive sound would agree the two groups have nothing in common.

[djway]

Quote:

Originally posted by buffed

Orpheus, have a listen to a full James Holden or Lemon 8 set, and then have a listen to a full PVD or AVB set, and i think you'll agree with me, It's like chalk and cheese.

I have Max Graham's NYE track (hour 3) A set of Lemon 8's in late december, and still think AvB/PvD play a progressive sound @ the start of their sets, albeit it, on the trance edge.

Motorcycle- As the rush comes (cdr)
Mr. Sam vs Fred Baker present As One- Forever Waiting (Magik Muzik)

Are just to examples of progressive tracks in ASOT91 IMHO. The whole second hour in ASOT90 is also prog in my mind.

Not everyone is as dedicated as you are to prog, the trance lovers, who are still learning prog(IE me/orpehus/Muli), don't like prog-house, maybe we will grown into it, but ATM if it was prog-house we'd go else where, but for progr-trance would come running......That's where we are coming from.

--djway

[djway]

Quote:

Originally posted by buffed


That's why i asked, because we all have different versions of exactly what progressive is.

If it's AVB and PVD, i'm not interested.

If it's Lemon 8, James Holden, Max Graham then i'm interested.

Any real fan of the progressive sound would agree the two groups have nothing in common.

This is the conclusion I am also reaching. I will in NO WAY say that PvD or AvB in prime time play Prog of ANY kind. I'm no saying that.

Maybe to our uneducated ears, we think we're listening 2 prog, but really, it's just trance.....which is why I gave u those 2 tracks, to lets us know what you'd call them, and I'll be settled...

--djway

[orpheus]

Quote:

Originally posted by buffed
Orpheus, have a listen to a full James Holden or Lemon 8 set, and then have a listen to a full PVD or AVB set, and i think you'll agree with me, It's like chalk and cheese.

I think that alot, not all, of AVB's and PVD's sets include progressive elements. It's good to see. I think that progressive is gaining a stronger following.

[nickbrauer]

I knew this would happen, thats why i put the post up.
Ok, this is not a progressive house night, this is a progressive trance night. Believe it or not, there is a difference. All dj's on the roster have been known to play prog trance very well. The only problem is that there have been hardly any prog trance parties in sydney in the last few years, for them to show off their talents.
The only ones that i can remember are Sounds of Sydney at the City Hotel ( Mark and Robbie played there), Playtime at the Cauldron (Sweetchillis predecesor that played the best prog trance ever) and internationals at Home such as Nick Warren and Steve Lawler.
Scott and Simon haven't really been given the chance to play prog trance because they have always been booked to play at a different night.
Now, if your'e wanting to know what kind of sound we are pushing, think Max Graham, Gabriel and Dresden, Quivver, Parks and Wilson etc. A few good mix cds would be Dave Seaman Global Underground; Beunos Aries, Anything by Nick Warren, Renaissance (Ian Ossia, Nigel Dawson), Northern Expopsure;Expeditions. The list can go on and on, but to those who know what prog trance is, you know what to expect; pure class.
Keep those thoughts comin guys.

[buffed]

I respect that DJ Way.

As for me, i can't listen to the AVB and PVD sound, i've moved on from there years ago, and to me, it's a very different sound to the guys i mentioned. Granted they may start their sets with the odd progressive track, but from there on, the stuff they play is not anything like Holden, Graham etc IMHO.

[buffed]

Quote:

Originally posted by nickbrauer
Now, if your'e wanting to know what kind of sound we are pushing, think Max Graham, Gabriel and Dresden, Quivver, Parks and Wilson etc.

That's all i need to know......i'll be there.

By the way, what did you think of my suggestion for the cauldron as a venue.

[orpheus]

Quote:

Originally posted by nickbrauer
Now, if your'e wanting to know what kind of sound we are pushing, think Max Graham, Gabriel and Dresden, Quivver, Parks and Wilson etc. A few good mix cds would be Dave Seaman Global Underground; Beunos Aries, Anything by Nick Warren, Renaissance (Ian Ossia, Nigel Dawson), Northern Expopsure;Expeditions. The list can go on and on, but to those who know what prog trance is, you know what to expect; pure class.
Keep those thoughts comin guys.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm looking forward to it already. Keep us posted on developments as well.

Make sure you get one of those lights that stream a water like effect over the ceiling. They kick ass!

[djcz]

This thread is totally off track

This sounds like it's going to be a top night, keep looking into venue's, there's so much to be considered in a venue.

Im excited to hear dynamix's old skool prog set

[AmandaAF]

Hey - there is nothing wrong with melodic uplifting trance - it sets the mood - so dont knock AVB or PVD - OK!!!!! But in saying that I totally love my progressive.....

So lets stop the chatter and get the damned thing moving.... Ah - so many people out there with so much passion for music....Nice to see - and hear!!!!

And on that - Max Graham does totally rock my world!

:tripping: Isnt this what trance / prog is all about.....

[djway]

Quote:

Originally posted by djcz


Im excited to hear dynamix's old skool prog set

I have heard rumors that Dynamix has sold a lot/all of his old vinyl......?

Buffed.....I see where your looking @ things from, cool.

--djway

[marcus]

Okay, back to the original topic...

I think it's an awesome idea Nick! I'd go for sure! Don't do The Bank. The lineup you have is wicked. Ben or Trent are also diverse enough to fit in. Anyone up for a James Holden/Gwill Morris theme night?

[Oli-G]

dont bother getting heaps of big names to try & play "progressive trance" get some committed up & comers who absolutely love it

they will do 10 times a better job then a bigger name, guranteed

[djcz]

I agree with Oli 110%.

Although 4 hours of James Holdern, would sit just right :p

[Juggalo Muli]

Quote:

Originally posted by Oli-G
dont bother getting heaps of big names to try & play "progressive trance" get some committed up & comers who absolutely love it

they will do 10 times a better job then a bigger name, guranteed

yea thats a good point, ive seen that happen to many times they start off to suit the night then stray off into their usual crap.

Anyways looking forward to this night, sounds good

[luxe]

Love it! SO up for a night like this.
Respect for taking the initiative and making it happen Nick. I for one will be there fo sho.

[Bonkers]

Quote:

Originally posted by buffed


You must be kidding. if you can seriously equate the sound of the guys i mentioned to PVD and Van Buurin, then i give up.

I just saw AVB's web site and there is nothing there that i would call a progressive sound, except for the odd Kleinenberg track or Sasha track in there.

Orpheus, have a listen to a full James Holden or Lemon 8 set, and then have a listen to a full PVD or AVB set, and i think you'll agree with me, It's like chalk and cheese.

Buffed, perhaps you should actually listen to a few sets of AVB before making such bold statements because for someone who loves prog trance you really have no idea. One is particular live at Scanners which fits in exactly with the DJs you have mentioned.

[nickbrauer]

Just to clarify things, there will be no PVD or AVB being played at the party. However, this does not mean that AVB or PVD don't play prog trance. I'm a fan of all types of dance music (except for anything with the term hard),but in saying that, i think you have to realise that trance or progressive doesn't have to be hard to be tough, it doesn't need to be fast to be pumping, thats prog trance.
Thats my two cents anyway.8-)