^^ I should say here I am not one of JOOF's biggest fans, I have been known to criticise his blogs , and attitudes, before. But I believe he is quite genuine in what he says even if I don't agree sometimes. I really think he is genuine in this case as well, I don't think it is a marketing exercise. Having worked in that area , I am pretty cynical . Actually a lot of the shit fighting has gone to facebook as well. :lol: You should have seen ITM a few years ago, I still bear the scars :lol: We should be grateful for small mercies. :) Read the Whole thread