inthemix in-depth: What's gone wrong with our clubs?

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It’s the question being bandied about by DJs, venues, promoters and punters across the country: how much faith can we currently put in our club scene? With dance festivals doing big business in recent years and loyalty to weekly club nights less of a sure thing, it’s fair to say times have changed. But of course it’s never all doom and gloom.

In order to encourage discussion and debate about the state of our clubs, inthemix has sought out the input of those who know the territory intimately – the country’s promoters and venue owners – in our five-part inthemix in-depth feature series. There are as many opinions out there as there are parties, so it’s impossible to include them all. However, we hope that this mix of voices from longtime players and more recent arrivals in the club game provides a solid starting point.

Have festivals killed clubbing? Is it more about Facebook spam than feet on the dancefloor? Or are things better than ever if you know where to look? Read on, then let us know what you think in the comments field below.

inthemix in-depth: What’s gone wrong with our clubs?

> Part One: The state of clubs in 2010
> Part Two: What has become of weekly clubbing?
> Part Three: The festival effect
> Part Four: Festivals aside, what else is hurting our clubs?
> Part Five: The forecast for the future

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locky

locky said on the 19th May, 2010

Great idea for a debate/forum

Gymqueen22

Gymqueen22 said on the 19th May, 2010

I am actually going to more club events now days than big festivals. Im over the big events, they are too packed out, too many morons strutting around (eg: muzzas and their tandooi fake tanned faced girlfriends) tickets are too expensive for what the fees

benjiswan

benjiswan said on the 19th May, 2010

Great read Jack, covers a lot of bases

Radic

Radic said on the 19th May, 2010

too many festivals.

matzta73

matzta73 said on the 19th May, 2010

What comes around goes around, the festivals will have their day and clubs will be in favour again.

dirtydoge

dirtydoge said on the 19th May, 2010

everything you talk about here boils down to the nations abysmal party drug supply. shit pingers, shit coke, shit speed = shit angry pissed c*nts in shit clubs and shit festivals!!! "where is the mdma?" this should be your next inthemix in depth ;p (YER

mather_47

mather_47 said on the 19th May, 2010

too many crap clubs, why spend 20 bucks to see some shit dj in a half empty room? also sick of a billion facebook invites everyday, they make me less likely to go the promoted club

Will666

Will666 said on the 20th May, 2010

i have just moved to LA and loving it the dance music there is getting big and when you can go out just about every weekend to see are really big name Dj or even pop down on a Tuesday night to see some really cools acts, it's crazy. I was just fed up wi

pomrocks

pomrocks said on the 20th May, 2010

that's a great read...their is a lot of commonality between the ideas raised hopefully the lull is near over and things start picking up for us all again

daverh

daverh said on the 20th May, 2010

Is it essential to be on drugs and enjoy clubs? That's such a revolting idea.

Weqster

Weqster said on the 20th May, 2010

Nice work ITM. This needed to be said!

Vojo

Vojo said on the 20th May, 2010

the culture of dance music has changed. its now considered a fashion trend i would like see more dance music/club nights that don't sell alcohol, no guest lists/VIP's and of course be focused on vital music policy

Vojo

Vojo said on the 20th May, 2010

plus for the most part, australia's dance music culture is getting worse and worse

misspolly

misspolly said on the 20th May, 2010

I lived in London for 5 years and went clubbing every week, upon returning to Australia 3 years ago I was astonished at how aggressive the crowds were and how few people seemed to be attending the clubs to listen/dance to the music. One memorable experien

nando cesar

nando cesar said on the 20th May, 2010

to me festivals are still the place to enjoy good djs. they play better music. free of club managers inputs...

gurner

gurner said on the 20th May, 2010

@dirtydoge - i could not agree with u more

duanemc

duanemc said on the 20th May, 2010

I think this has been one of the best articles/reads I've ever seen on ITM. Was really good to get a picture of what's happening based on different promoters in different cities. Kudo's on the work JackT.

kdiggity

kdiggity said on the 20th May, 2010

you need more kdiggity consulting..

mighty toy

mighty toy said on the 20th May, 2010

yeah agreed a very good read , and chinese laundry is a still a solid club which is great to see

phillter

phillter said on the 20th May, 2010

Being a seasoned party (club and festival) goer for over 15 years on the gay and straight scene I've noticed a few things change and what has had a dramatic impact. Gay clubs were often at the forefront of clubbing in the 80's and 90's - they were also t

dpell

dpell said on the 20th May, 2010

Interesting to note that no questions were directed to actual venue owners etc as to why they think there is a downturn in trade etc. There are many varying factors in why trade is down. It is not just dance music that is suffering, the live music scene i

lucky87

lucky87 said on the 20th May, 2010

Give me a dirty, stinky nightclub anyday! festivals are good fun but they can get messy, too many young kids making total asses of themselves and too many wankers running around flexing their biceps and showing off their big gold chains.. You get that in

JackT

JackT said on the 20th May, 2010

Hey dpell, there were several quotes from barsoma, HQ etc about other factors that don't just affect dance music - licensing laws, the economic situation, etc.

mighty toy

mighty toy said on the 20th May, 2010

philter has some good points i rekon

nafey m

nafey m said on the 20th May, 2010

I think Korbel had a good point. The internet has made music so much easier to obtain. When I first started clubbing you could only hear that sort of music if you went to clubs or bought the records. Now you can just look through blogs for the music you w

Sam_Watkins

Sam_Watkins said on the 20th May, 2010

It's not just the Oz club scene struggling, it's happening over in NZ as well.. It's bound to happen from time to time but always seems to prevail.

NickWRX

NickWRX said on the 20th May, 2010

Music is a major part of why I don't bother going clubbin anymore, the music you hear at most clubs, not all of them is absolute trash (Top 50 to be precise) and is just recycled in every club with the same old tunes wekk in and week out. Sydney doesn't r

domcc1

domcc1 said on the 20th May, 2010

I felt this day would come. I honestly believe it's due to the crazy late night set times. I mean, not everyone wants to get high on whatever to stay up and watch the headline act come on at 3am! That's why I (and I'm sure others) prefer day parties (w

jamesfrancis

jamesfrancis said on the 20th May, 2010

Brilliant article! I have seen massive changes in weekly club attendances, even in the last 12 months the ammount of people going clubbing of a weekend has dropped drastically! I am confident thing will change, hopefully sooner rather than later, but unti

polite_society

polite_society said on the 20th May, 2010

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? Though seriously, i've been going to clubs more in the last couple of years than i have in a long time. Seems just as strong to me, far more internationals coming through tha

Radic

Radic said on the 20th May, 2010

EDM is way to commercial these days

sizmos

sizmos said on the 20th May, 2010

I agree with people in that before you would go out to clubs to hear new music, and it is ultimately up to the dj's whether they want to experiment with new tracks or sounds. I am very up to date with all the latest music from US/Europe, however when i wa

thekingsofsundaymorning

thekingsofsundaymorning said on the 21st May, 2010

There is no doubt that the cost of going to a festival impacts clubgoers ability to attend club nights but I think the problem goes a lot deeper than that. Computer software and Beatport are two main reasons for the decline in the diversity of the club ex

dj Artista

dj Artista said on the 21st May, 2010

Commertial radio and a younger easy to please crowds are killing the club and festival scene's as we speak! Festivals are far too mainstream these days with people more interested in walkin around seeing who's wearing tha colourd full body suit and who's

perthdj2010

perthdj2010 said on the 21st May, 2010

Anyway, let's face it, electro and house is a bandwagon. What happened to hip hop? Mint seems to have hit the nail on the head..Watch someone else do it - Or watch it become the next wagon on the trainwreck that is becoming the Perth scene (and it's g

SubsonicMusic

SubsonicMusic said on the 21st May, 2010

There are "festivals" and there are festivals ;) Some are half days in the middle of a city sponsored by booze and other corporate companies, some are multi day, out of the city- free from corporate sponsorship. with a music policy and production that spe

Trance_Lover

Trance_Lover said on the 23rd May, 2010

I find myself supporting almost all views on here.... While it is up to the punters to vote with their feet/wallets, it is also up to the organisers/promoters/dj's to create an atmosphere that we WANT to be at the club.... I promote for a few different c

Edstacee

Edstacee said on the 23rd May, 2010

1. Mass marketing pushing the scene from alcoves and underground into something every dick thinks they are a part of. Festivals have killed it entirely, and have brought morons in to our scene and they are here to stay. The big players who have been named

Nick_K

Nick_K said on the 25th May, 2010

In Melbourne clubs have turned to shit because of various reasons: 1. Everywhere you go all you hear is Electro house, a bit of variety variety would be nice, trance, hard house, progressive, even an rnb room just something different!.... 2. You have wank

Jason V

Jason V said on the 27th May, 2010

Awesome article, great reading all these opinions too, especially Phillter. . . raised some interesting points. Also strongly agree with domcc1 in that it is hard to stay up sometimes to see a headliner that starts so late, when you work long hard days it

j_erbrederis

j_erbrederis said on the 27th May, 2010

Glad to see we discuss the elephant in the room. My thoughts: Most of the media has turned strongly against going out in general; every time a public figure is seen going out they are expected to make a public apology... State and Local governments have b

djlp4life

djlp4life said on the 29th May, 2010

I've been living in Brisbane for 3 years now, I come from London and have been a promoter for 5yrs / dj'ing for 12yrs. It's interesting to read about key players current issues with clubland, international aspects, dance music in general, local & governme

djlp4life

djlp4life said on the 29th May, 2010

I've been living in Brisbane for 3 years now; I come from London and have been a promoter for 5yrs / dj'ing for 12yrs. It's interesting to read about key players current issues with club land, international aspects, and dance music in general, local & gov

mickytalbzyeah

mickytalbzyeah said on the 8th Sep, 2010

I'm with u Dirtydoge 100% bring back some descent pingers!!!!! people that disagree with the consumption of drugs should take a look at what there drinking every weekend in the clubs....MDMA mmmm those were the days