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Top 5 Mixers for Ableton and why.
Theres no doubt that Ableton is now a popluar and fantastic tool for DJ's today and beyond.
Having the Software and a PC is a start but what should you be looking for in a mixer when getting serious with Ableton? Hoping some of our trusted online gurus can share some opinions.
What would you say are the top 5 mixers for Ableton and why?
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Xone 3d <-- IMO the best
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Ecler Nuo 4

not sure of any else

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anything bigger tended to be crap and only bigger because theyre bigger, but not actually better and bigger at the same time therefore not better just bigger?

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apparently the DJM800 is a real contender. Lots of reviews saying they have sorted out the sound quality issues the 600 had. Plus the EQ's have been improved.
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the 800 PWNS the 92 for midi control.
In this order IMO
Xone 3D - But its not really a mixer now is it... It has one as part of it, so i guess it can stay.
DJM 800 - So much can be done with this mixer its not funny
Nuo 4 - Again as the 800, but not as many knobs/ buttons send midi data.
Xone 92 - A galant effort and precursor to all of the above, even less than the Nuo 4 as far as usability
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i think there are only three at this stage that a worthy,

DJM 800
Xone 3D
Nuo 4

in that order

Did you know: The DJM 800 gain knob can be used as a fourth EQ in Ableton
I don't use Ableton yet maybe when 6 comes out, but for the same price as a Xone 3d you can get a remote SL, sound card and DJm 800
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apparently the DJM800 is a real contender. Lots of reviews saying they have sorted out the sound quality issues the 600 had. Plus the EQ's have been improved.

it still fails in the "i am a serious installation mixer worthy of being put infront of a quality FOH system." department

talk to turntable tech.

considering the cost of the nuo 4 in australia, in my opinion there's no serious competition.
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Value for money, hands down every day of the week.
Though as far as the Midi implementation is concerned, the 800 shits all over it.

Only one person on this forum has said its shit, and still clubs around the world are installing them.

The outputs on the 800 are light years ahead of the crap that was in the 800.
If pioneer nabbed an engineer from rane or A&H and got them to design the next pioneer mixer's analogue output stage and kept its user friendly layout then i would say ladies and gents we have a new winner.

My question is has anyone other than TT heard/ played on one of these as i know i have...
soo much better than the 600 its not funny, granted not the same quality as my A&H or my mates Nuo, but its a massive improvement on their previous attempts.
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I had a squiz @ the Ecler Nuo 4 over at spank 2day and itís a viable cheaper alternative to Zone3D which will cost you a spleen. $1,395.00

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don't bother with any of them

better off getting some sort of small portable midi controller that you can take with you

that way you don't have to muck around with much, and you can generally do much more with customisation

and lets face it
the chances of you finding a djm 800, nuo4 or a xone3d in a club are very minimal

on a side note, what exactly do you want to map the midi on a midi enabled mixer to do?

my vote is for a x session (uc 13 i think? or something that sounds similar)
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in non-dj application, i've used Ableton Live as a sound design tool for performance arts. Theatre to be exact. a good digital mixer with flying faders & 360deg knobs is a godsend in this case.

i've used a Behringer DDX3216 and its fantastic. affordable and lots of faders, buttons and knobs to assign to just about anything in Live (or any other MIDI application for that matter). Plus easily programmable presets. and its great fun watching the faders move all by itself. hahaha

in standard DJ application, i think i'm most likely to upgrade to a DJM800 when i got the dosh for it. i've done some research abt the Nuo4, it looks like a good MIDI enabled mixer, tho it has only 2 channel strips that are MIDI assignable + the centre MIDI strip, and it seems like its editor software is not compatible with Macs. its likely that it'd still send MIDI CC messages without any drivers tho...

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800's are popping up every where. Hell theres even one in a venue in Newcastle about to be joined by another.

Though i also agree that a portable midi controller is easier and customisable.

You cant compare the 3D and any other mixer/ Midicon that exists in the current market place.
Its so different from anything else that even comes remotely close.

Value for money - Nuo 4 everyday of the week
If you can scratch up the cash - 800 PWNS every other midi controllable mixer in the market place, In terms of its midi implementation.

Im thinking that A&H may release a stripped down version of the 3D with out the sound card which will put it firmly at the top of the tree then.
Or the next Xone to be released, with a similar footprint/ Layout to the 92 will have as good if not better midi implementation than the 800, again thrusting it to the top of the tree.
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hmm yeah - AH will step up soon, alot of new mixers coming out.
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Its not usually their style, though with the amount of rapid progress in this area in the last 6mths, you would have to think that something is on the boil, though if the 3D isnt selling as good as they think it should be then i wouldnt be surprised if a stripped back version appears, i dont think it would be much cheaper though....hmmm/ Scratches chin and goes back to search for porn...
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they shld make a version of tje 3d without the mixer, just the controller and soundcard. Cos for people just using ableton, it wld be aesome, and a lo of ppl wld already have good mixers
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Why bother, Mixers are their bread and butter, if anything, the shit they arent good at will get dropped.
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yeah ur right, but imagine, wld sell sooo well. i wld love a xone 3d but cannot afford, ever. so i use a uc 33 and a motu soundcard
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Why bother, Mixers are their bread and butter, if anything, the shit they arent good at will get dropped.

they might just start giving away the back stock to (the good) employees at the annual dinner or something! LOL

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hmm wld love a nuo 4 but the midi implementation looks limitied. is it?
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Everyone who has actually touched a xone:3d raise their hands?

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Its pretty good, and it will sound better than the 800, though the 800 shits on any dj mixer for midi implementation
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Originally Posted by pfalzon

Theres no doubt that Ableton is now a popluar and fantastic tool for DJ's today and beyond.
Having the Software and a PC is a start but what should you be looking for in a mixer when getting serious with Ableton? Hoping some of our trusted online gurus can share some opinions.
What would you say are the top 5 mixers for Ableton and why?

I'm confused...

Why do you need a mixer for Ableton?

Soundcard --> Hi/Fi or PA System

Sorted.

EDIT: I forgot that Ableton is *only* a tool for DJs to add to their existing turntable set-ups.

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I'd like to see a nuo 6, 4 channels and full midi control, plus an effects unit that is totally configurable by software
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Everyone who has actually touched a xone:3d raise their hands?

okay as you were


had a solid 3 hour play on one
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Everyone who has actually touched a xone:3d raise their hands?

okay as you were

ur point being? i would love to have one nd have heard nuttin but praise. check out http://www.djmag.com/index_tech.php for some cool videos and tutorials on it.

DJM 800 looks nice, im using for first time tonight wldbe cool, and much cheaper too
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don't bother with any of them

better off getting some sort of small portable midi controller that you can take with you


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i ahd a go on a DJM800 last night, its awesome, i want one. only thing is, that every knob and slider is MIDI mapabel, but that means each contorllers serves a dual purpos,ewhich i can see getting messy

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bullshit, you just need to get smarter about the way you would do things
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bullshit, you just need to get smarter about the way you would do things

ok, someone is having a bit of a cry.

it would require careful planning, and execution, but once u got a good set up, shld be sweet. i guess a multi channel soundcard, with each track in live to differnt output, hooked ot each channel in mixer, combined with midi, could work
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Sorry dude, i was a wee bit drunk last night when i posted that....

Though at the end of the day, noone who is going to use a setup like that is going to be able to walk into a club and just plug in with out a shit load of prep before hand. Great for home use, but in most instances, a decent sound interface and personalised midi controller will be all you will need. and then some.
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I've got a nuo 4 and it's great, but i can see non midi noobs needing a few more buttons
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yeah i agree with u there. I've just ordered an m audio uc 33, i think that should be enough, has plent of knobs and sliders, coupled with keybaord keys, should be sweet

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isnt a BCD2000 ableton compatible?

$250 + portable ftw!
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yeah its compatible with eveyrhting, but apprently its a pain to set up, and the sound wuality aint that good, but wld be laugh.
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it's behringer..
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Its a great little piece of kit, especially after you update the firmware and all the other latest updates for it.
Supports Direct X plugs on the unit, for some cool effects wizardry.

As far as an ableton controller, it should be like just about every other out there and ableton, which should mean its a piece of piss to set up.

Though as a primary control surface for ableton, nope, there are heaps better alternatives.
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Though as a primary control surface for ableton, nope, there are heaps better alternatives.

Such as?

I'm after a fully assignable midi controller that is set up like a dj mixer. The UC33 looks pretty good, but i'm tempted by the low price of the behringer BCD2000 (im confused about how sound quality would be an issue unless it can be used in aplications other than purely as a midi device?)
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UC33 is great as are the faderfox things if you can grab em.
For a DJ style midi controller then yeah i would grab the behringer thing, for the money.
Though the Uc33 allows a lot more customisation on your behalf i would think.
You dont use a cross fader do you.....??

The behringer thing is an actual mixer as well, hence the sound quality comments. though i havent heard a bad thing said about it yet.
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^ that DRi322 or whatever his name is said some really encouraging things about the bcd somehwere

would be good if he could post an opinion here too
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I've been thinking about buying a new mixer and had look at the Nuo 4 - I would prefer to just get a midi controller though... Portability is good!
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DJM800 without out a doubt. This assumes you dont want to waste all your money on a 3D
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why spend a couple of grand when you can get a midi controller for a few hundred?

When its out of date, chuck it away and get the latest midi controller or whatever.

Mixers built for Ableton make no sense as they will be out of date before the next version of the software comes out.
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why spend a couple of grand when you can get a midi controller for a few hundred?

When its out of date, chuck it away and get the latest midi controller or whatever.

Mixers built for Ableton make no sense as they will be out of date before the next version of the software comes out.

whoa that makes a lot of sense dude, thanks!

but then again ,the layout and feel of Ableton hasnt really changed since version 1 so yeah? And the whole integrated all in one ios cool, so u can just take ur laptop and ur Xone 3d, rather than a separate soundcard and mixer, but hmm.
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The DJM 800 is a mixer as well though and the basic principle for a mixer layout hasn't changed much in the last decade or so + plus it's all midi assignable, for DJing with midi applications it's hard to go past..... for now at least
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Exactly, and other than TTech, who here has had enough experience with one let alone heard one to make a qualified assessment as to whether the mixer is shit????
Iv'e had about 5hrs on one in a club setting and the difference between the 800 and 600 is chalk and cheese.
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don't bother with any of them

better off getting some sort of small portable midi controller that you can take with you

that way you don't have to muck around with much, and you can generally do much more with customisation

at the moment this is what i would go with too. unless you can be bothered to carry your xone/800/nuo to every gig with you (which also assumes that the setup there has room for the mixer/enables you to change the mixer) or you are famous enough to be able to demand one in your rider, then it seems to make a lot more sense to get a small midi controller and take with.
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were in newy is the 800 neo, i could only imagine king club level would have it, downstairs has got a 600, same with mbar
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