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I'm considering adding a PSU to the build, it will help to power it.

Looking at this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=15958

It's the lowest in the Seasonic range, but the reviews are very good.
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I'm considering adding a PSU to the build, it will help to power it.

Looking at this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=15958

It's the lowest in the Seasonic range, but the reviews are very good.

twice as much, but fanless: http://greenboxit.com.au/product_inf...oducts_id=5230

http://greenboxit.com.au/product_inf...ducts_id=33092

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I'd love to go fanless, but I'm trying to avoid turning this into an $800+ build. :kingofjews: I'll keep that option on the maybe list though, see how I feel in a couple of weeks.

Also swapping the LG optical drive for a Lite-on, as they're said to have better speed/noise management.
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fair enough - I get irritated when I hear the hdd spin up in the foxtel box

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srs question: assuming you still have a ps3 plugged into the tv - what is the optical drive for?

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Know that feel re: noise. And doing a quick count, there are already 3 fans in the box (2x case + 1x CPU). I think I'll kick myself later if I cheap out on the PSU.

The PS3 is going. Basically I'm sick of using four devices (PS3, ATV, Nova, laptop) to do what one box could be doing.
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Ah I thought ps3 would still be there for :gamez:

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Know that feel re: noise. And doing a quick count, there are already 3 fans in the box (2x case + 1x CPU). I think I'll kick myself later if I cheap out on the PSU.

The PS3 is going. Basically I'm sick of using four devices (PS3, ATV, Nova, laptop) to do what one box could be doing.

Yeah most decent brand PSUs with 12cm fans should do the trick, the Seasonic you've chosen sounds ideal.

Wouldn't bother with a passive PSU, bit of a waste as they need pretty decent case airflow for stability - you'd most likely have to bump your case fan speeds up compared to a system with a 12cm silent fan PSU which kind of negates any benefit.

Fanless graphics on the other hand are worth it with low end GPUs, they don't emit enough heat in a htpc setup to warrant switching case fans to a higher rpm, but no point these days since onboard hdmi graphics are awesome as is.

The best attenuation for fan noise on a HTPC though is moving closer to a place with a bigger loungeroom

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a bit of sound deadening stuck to the panels of your case and rubber hdd mount grommets don't hurt either
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I'd love to go fanless, but I'm trying to avoid turning this into an $800+ build. :kingofjews: I'll keep that option on the maybe list though, see how I feel in a couple of weeks.

Also swapping the LG optical drive for a Lite-on, as they're said to have better speed/noise management.

Short length of that drive will be good too if you're going with a small case.
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Hmm well spotted. I saw that, sure.

Glad I read this case review too: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cas...c-q08-review/2

Potential PSU headache: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_i...anLiQ08-3b.jpg

Won't affect me though, as I plan to use the lower drive bay shown in this pic: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_i...nLiQ08-14b.jpg
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^heh, yeah hence my previous warning about not rushing into any purchases:

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Definitely don't rush into buying anything though, particularly the case. Because of the odd layouts of htpc cases it's quite easy to forget to take <random thing> into consideration and end up spending twice as much as you'd originally intended.

random space issues like that are why I kind of prefer the flatter (ie less cubey) slimline desktop style cases
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Thinking of some discreet dust filtering additions to my HTPC build. Has anyone used these? http://www.dirtbag.biz/covers/tower.html

lol

was actually going say, probably a bit of a dust worry with all those front holes in the case you've chosen, they'd probably let a bit of the fan noise travel out in your general direction too.

Flat solid front panel, dust filters and heavy construction internal are what I try to look for. Another advantage of not having the cheese-grater front is you won't have a horrid blue led fan burning a hole in your retinas whilst trying to watch anything in the dark.
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Yeah I've actually spent the past hour wondering how to deal with that. I could go another case, or (more funly) make some cool removable filters. I've used thin kitchen scourers to good effect in the past. Cut to size and bordered with adhesive magnetic strips, they're easy to remove and clean.

Which ever way I go, I can assure you that no blue LEDs will survive the build.
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if all you're running is cpu with onboard graphics + ssd + ODD then you could use a picoPSU.

120w would be more than enough.

check for them on ebay but make sure you get a 120w ac adapter, coz some of them are 60 or 80 watt.

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https://www.google.com.au/search?sug...KIXNmQWhramjCQ

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Locking in this PSU: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=15957

More power than I need really, but some headroom for loading up USB ports etc is good. I chose this one because it's the cheapest (semi)modular Seasonic.

I'm keeping a running build list in the OP now.
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usb ports are 5 volts

an ivy bridge htpc with odd hdd and loads of usbs won't even draw 130w at full load.

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USB headroom is just an example; there could also be another drive, PCIe device, etc.

Also, volts are not a measure of power, so 5v means little on its own. A USB port is rated at 500mA*. Load up a few of these with HDDs, phone charging etc (worst case scenario, :tradies: call it maximum demand) and you can easily be pulling an extra couple of amps through the system (on the ELV side). Granted this doesn't amount to much in watts, but can be significant if you're only running a 120w pico PSU.

*USB3 is 900mA. Total of 7.6A/38W headroom required for USB on this mobo - not that you'd ever use it.

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If you're planning to put in more drives later down the track the extra psu headroom will be handy, though still have to change the case of course.
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I could probably put two HDDs in the lower bay, and mount the SSD on top of them. As mentioned though, the real reason I chose the PSU was

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it's the cheapest (semi)modular Seasonic.

[edit] Looks like the estimated price for the i3-3225 has dropped.

April 23: $172
May 21: $134

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I can vouch for the Antec ISK-300-150. Awesome little unit.. so small, yet has all is needed!

Installed a Gigabyte M-ITX motherboard, core i5 with HD3000 graphics, some ram, wifi stick and 2.5" hdd.
Hackintoshed it and pluged it in to my plasma... now is all I use >> Torrent + SBS and ABC on demand.

Also using the K400. excellent unit, plug n play and great feel.
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I can vouch for the Antec ISK-300-150. Awesome little unit.. so small, yet has all is needed!

Installed a Gigabyte M-ITX motherboard, core i5 with HD3000 graphics, some ram, wifi stick and 2.5" hdd.
Hackintoshed it and pluged it in to my plasma... now is all I use >> Torrent + SBS and ABC on demand.

Also using the K400. excellent unit, plug n play and great feel.

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it is great and cheap and attractive and quiet. the included 150W power supply is perfect. except those antec cases are sold out everywhere..

hackintosh with these bits was straightforward, except couldnt get audio to work over HDMI... so audio is plugged into my sound system rather than through the TV. If I could get that to work would be sweet... just a power lead, hdmi lead and wireless reciever.. bobs your uncle!
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Why did you choose to install Mac OS?

Seems simpler to install win7/unix then load XBMC etc.

Unless you really wanted to run Plex for some reason

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guessing im really slow on this.

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Eh... my gay friend that works in IT recommended them to me

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No real reason. All other computers in the house are OSX, so bit easier to network. Installed OSX version of XBMC anyways.. same shit diff smell!
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I'm a little late and I've gushed over it before but I freaking love my Fractal Design case for HTPC. Great sound insulation, minimalist design, and easy to manage drive bays. They now have a mini version available too:

http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=...gory=2&prod=58
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I'm a little late

Not at all - the buying and building has not yet begun. Shit gon get cray.
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I have the tower version of that fractal case and they are great

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I'm a little late and I've gushed over it before but I freaking love my Fractal Design case for HTPC. Great sound insulation, minimalist design, and easy to manage drive bays. They now have a mini version available too:

http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=...gory=2&prod=58

Built my missus a pc for her work with this case, very nice.. quiet, good airflow

I forget if the fan filter on front is a bit of a bitch to take out and clean though? Or if I'm getting that confused with something from another case I built recently?

And it is a fair whack bigger than the itx cases you were looking at originally greaux.

Of course the advantage with the bigger case is you can fill it up with lots of drives.
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Jah, only one Fractal in the size I was looking at, and it's more of a NAS case. Sexy though.
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If you can manage to snaffle a corporate desktop like a dell optiplex 990, hp dc5750 sff etc.. then whack in a low profile hdmi graphics card and replace the hdd's... You've got a sweet htpc for around $200.

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Jah, only one Fractal in the size I was looking at, and it's more of a NAS case. Sexy though.

The Array R2? Looks hot as fark.

http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=...gory=2&prod=42
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If you are going with a separate video card for your decoding work, just a heads up, with certain versions of windows (2008 R2 for example) ATI cards are a complete dick to get working on a HDTV.
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So all indications are that the Ivy Bridge i3's aren't out until Q3 Don't fancy waiting another 1-3 months to do this build. Thinking of grabbing an i3 2100 in the meantime and selling it afterwards. People buy them used yeah? Smart or dumb move?
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By the time you buy an sandy bridge i3, sell it off at half price then buy an ivy bridge i3 you will probably be as much out of pocket as you would if you had bought a sandy bridge i5 from the start.

I don't know how IB i3's and SB i5's compare in terms of processor performance (I'm guessing similar? Though IB's HD4000 certainly beats SB in gpu performance), but I have heard IB tends to run a bit hotter than SB which may affect noise levels.

For what you're using it for I don't think processor speed or gpu difference between IB i3 and SB i5 are going to matter too much though.. HD3000 on the SB should more than handle 1080p. If you were planning on using it for a little gaming on the side and didn't want to fork out for a graphics card it may be beneficial to hold out I guess? But if you were really going to start using it for gaming you'd ditch the internal gpu and get something far far better anyway.
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Yeah there will be some gaming, so I'm pretty set on the HD4000.

Looking at completed listings, there are actually people who will buy a CPU second hand to save $20.

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All the better for me of course. Those prices will drop when IB lands so you're probably right about getting half of my money back if I go that way.
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but I have heard IB tends to run a bit hotter than SB which may affect noise levels.

that only applies when you start upping the voltage. at stock volts, they run cool and quiet as fuck, bro.

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Fuck it

We'll get the 2100

Net cost of ~$60 to tide me over a couple of months, I can live with that. Just waiting for the mobo to be restocked, then it's game on.
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Ordered. \o/

Gear list in first post.
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niiiiiice. that lian li case is super nice except for the dorky led fan. hopefully its not so full on irl.

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No blue LEDs will survive the build.
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we want a complete unboxing vid for each item and a step by build vlog
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No blue LEDs will survive the build.

not even the power switch

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Probably not! If it's not practical to disable it, I'll conceal it.
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sleeper htpc. bitchin'.

wouldn't it just be a case of not plugging in the power led to the mainboard?

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pretty much. no pled plugin = no light.
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Power LEDs are handy for when you're having video signal issues though (ie, figuring out whether the cat pulled your hdmi cable or the htpc is just off) should either replace it with a white led (something not too bright) or some kind of vdu like the antec veris elite


http://store.antec.com/Product/acces...5-30125-1.aspx



The vdu would of course require doing away with the optical drive in that lian li case - depending on whether that 5.25 optical drive cover is removable?
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