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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-jail-sentence

Can anyone understand why a minimum of life would not be handed down for this crime? I'm assuming that a minimum of 30 years makes this guy potentially eligible for parole in 30 years? The headline says 'massive' jail sentence, but massive and 30 years minimum doesn't compute with me.

I really struggle to understand how it would benefit society to have this guy ever released from jail.
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Oh let buffed be, blood thirst is pretty much the only remotely empathy related emotion he can muster.
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Matthew Milat, 19, has been sentenced to 43 years...minimum before any chance of parole is 30 years. He may not get parole buffed, so breath deeply mate...by the time he gets out you may have retired...or died of old age.
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Oh let buffed be, blood thirst is pretty much the only remotely empathy related emotion he can muster.

if i'm bloodthirsty, what does that make the murderer in this case?
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if i'm bloodthirsty, what does that make the murderer in this case?

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Plus the likelihood of someone with his disposition towards violence and lack of remorse getting parole is fairly slim.

So is the likelihood of him making it 30 years without re-offending in prison and getting further charges brought against him.
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Was expecting this thread to be about Chamanjot Singh who got 6 years for killing his wife -
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/six-years-...607-1zz2r.html

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THE six-year jail sentence given to a Sydney man who slit his wife's throat with a box cutter has brought calls from the woman's family, crime victim advocates and a state government MP for a review of the defence of provocation.

Manpreet Kaur, 29, bled to death from eight wounds inflicted by her husband, Chamanjot Singh, in their western Sydney home in December 2009.

But last month, Singh was found guilty of manslaughter rather than murder after a jury accepted his claim that he had been provoked by a stream of verbal abuse from Ms Kaur including an alleged threat that she would have him deported.

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if i'm bloodthirsty, what does that make the murderer in this case?

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i doubt he'll get parole after minimum sentence, shit look at the poem he penned 9 months after his arrest that he clearly knew would be read.

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Was expecting this thread to be about Chamanjot Singh who got 6 years for killing his wife -
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/six-years-...607-1zz2r.html

Me too! That case is fucked up, the Milat one, well, he got 43 years. Hell we should be grateful his lawyer didn't manage some bullshit "temporary insanity" or "was only 17 when it happened so reduce the sentence" stuff.

I'm sure some people will think he should have got more but it's hardly an outrageously short sentence unlike the case of Chamanjot.
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How fucked up is that family? It's unbelievable. I would change my name if I was a Milat.
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i doubt he'll get parole after minimum sentence, shit look at the poem he penned 9 months after his arrest that he clearly knew would be read.

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which again begs the question, why not give the guy a minimum of life? Why even leave any doubt as to his chances of parole in 30 years and just give him life. Boggles my mind
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I see the 30 years as being the revenge/punishment/deterence aspect of the sentence. The rest is depending on his behaviour.
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How fucked up is that family? It's unbelievable. I would change my name if I was a Milat.

I'd probably run for Government for a party calling for laxer gun controls...
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which again begs the question, why not give the guy a minimum of life? Why even leave any doubt as to his chances of parole in 30 years and just give him life. Boggles my mind

is the judgement public? i imagine it goes through the reasons for the sentencing in detail...
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i doubt he'll get parole after minimum sentence, shit look at the poem he penned 9 months after his arrest that he clearly knew would be read.

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talk s--- here, talk s--- there,
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Wanderin what your gunna get,
hopin 4-1 in the head,
C--- ILL Put it in Your Leg,
tell me, ARE YA HAVIN FUN,
get up C---, And start to run,
how fAr are ya gunna get,
Your Match C--- you have just Met,
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Hear the crunch of leaves and feet,
feel your heart, skip a beat,
Are ya gunna get away,
No hope kid this is your day,
The day that you wont be found,
Six feet under Neath the ground.

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Was expecting this thread to be about Chamanjot Singh who got 6 years for killing his wife -
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/six-years-...607-1zz2r.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-0...throat/4050642

This fucker will be out in 2024 after killing a 12 year old girl by cutting her throat. Does not compute.
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you are assuming he will survive prison justice
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Isn't a lift sentence 25 years? so he's gotten longer... a "life" sentence is life without the possibility of parole.
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IT WAS hard to believe that the cherub-faced country kid being led from the NSW Supreme Court was about to begin the longest jail sentence given to a juvenile in the state's recent history.


Yeah, way weak.
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is the judgement public? i imagine it goes through the reasons for the sentencing in detail...

Here's the judgment in Milat:

http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/action...?jgmtid=159021

And the judgment in Da-Pra:

http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/action...?jgmtid=158931
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Just read the Milat judgement, intense.
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This is weak sentencing, "current whereabout unknown"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_L...rial_killer%29
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which again begs the question, why not give the guy a minimum of life? Why even leave any doubt as to his chances of parole in 30 years and just give him life. Boggles my mind

If you propose to give him a 'minimum of life', what is the maximum you had in mind?

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It's the same as going out on a busy street and looking at the people around you, most of them are fgts.

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If you propose to give him a 'minimum of life', what is the maximum you had in mind?

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would have thought havin em "hung drawn n quartered" is the buffed way...
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would have thought havin em "hung drawn n quartered" is the buffed way...

thats actually pretty close to what i had in mind
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be interesting to see what sort of sentence these scum end up with...

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/guard-kill...618-20inl.html
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It's not pre-meditated, and the people involved were probably strung out, so my guess is between 10 and 15 with no parole closer to 8 years

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Life perhaps?

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It's the same as going out on a busy street and looking at the people around you, most of them are fgts.

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Great read that story. What a sad life.
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In other news, this needs some serious explaining:

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he'll never be released surely, will be deemed unfit each time
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I agree walkdogz, but haven't they boxed themselves into a corner with declaring a sane man fit for sentencing who'll be unfit for release after custodial sentence?
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brevik got what he wanted, it was declared perfectly sane to kill kids of a particular political persuasion because their party is allegedly flooding your country with immigrants
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I believe I read something about the Norwegian legal system that the maximum sentence for any crime was 21 years... reason why I remember this is I thought that he'd almost certainly be declared insane due to the fact he could apply for parole no matter what.

but even after 21 years if he got released (which I'm sure he wouldn't) he would probably be safer in gaol then in public.

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I agree walkdogz, but haven't they boxed themselves into a corner with declaring a sane man fit for sentencing who'll be unfit for release after custodial sentence?

No, because the 'unfit for release' part is based on whether he poses a danger to society, not his mental state.

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que? The act itself is not declared to be anything (other than illegal). The person was deemed to be in a mental state where criminal culpability can be ascribed to him. Brevik may have gotten what he wanted (out of the two options available), but that doesn't mean his actions are declared to be 'sane'.

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I believe I read something about the Norwegian legal system that the maximum sentence for any crime was 21 years... reason why I remember this is I thought that he'd almost certainly be declared insane due to the fact he could apply for parole no matter what.

but even after 21 years if he got released (which I'm sure he wouldn't) he would probably be safer in gaol then in public.

The only valid reason to declare him insane would be if he was in fact insane. You can't subvert your own legal system by declaring a sane man insane because you want a particular sentencing outcome, and the Norwegian system did the right thing in declaring him sane. In any case while the maximum sentence is 21 years and he can theoretically be paroled after 10, there's zero chance he'll have parole approved, and every likelihood he'll be kept in prison indefinitely under the Norwegian provision of preventative detention for those who may pose a continued threat to society.
As to Brevik's sanity, if he was a Muslim who was being convicted of terrorism his sanity wouldn't even be questioned, it's only because he's white and Christian that people seem reluctant to accept that his actions were carried out in sanity. And while his beliefs are fucked up the guy is definitely rational and fit to answer for his actions.
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I'm not altogether convinced that's the case (re: middle eastern vs. white)

as for the first point of subverting a legal system, I am absolutely sure governments have in the past and will continue to do it where national interest or political interest is a reason. I'm sure you can fine a few psychologists who are willing to submit a "favourable" report and expert witness examination in return for spending a few hundred hours with him and the rights to release papers / book.

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^ I'm not saying it's never been done, but I hope you're not suggesting that it SHOULD have been done in this case. The integrity of a legal system is more important than one criminal.
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